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Post by kathygrady on Jul 6, 2011 2:54:41 GMT -8
....to show her face at this hearing?"
WHAT?!?!?!?
It is a custody hearing for her child!
If she didn't attend the hearing Mary would be ragging on her for that too.
I'm not saying Dee is completely right about anything-but this is a hearing about her own child-that was a stupid piece of dialog.
Of course she will be there.
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Post by Echo on Jul 6, 2011 3:14:24 GMT -8
Mary frequently says things that are outrageous.
Even thought Delia is a mess of a person,
it is her child, her custody hearing.
That line is quite ignorant.
By law, Delia would have to be there, I would imagine,(just guessing.)
But regardless, what would be the point of a custody hearing, where each parent wants custody, if one didn't show up?
No doubt with the facts presented Delia won't gain full custody, but that doesn't mean that she would or should not attend.
Very often lately, Mary spews things that I would expect Delia to say.
Strange to me, as she is supposed to smarter, more sensitive than Delia. (although Delia is like a human bundle of raw nerves, most of the time.)
She's far too bossy and opinionated for my taste.
Not in a fair way, where she actually wants to HEAR another person's opinion!
Mary that is,
Delia is another story altogether, (and another thread!)
-Echo-
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Post by gladrags on Jul 6, 2011 3:45:37 GMT -8
Mary is once again spot on. Considering Delia has again and again neglected her son, you do wonder why she's so adamant at getting custody of him. She's just going to dump him on Maeve every day anyway.
Of course, Delia knows that, as Little John's mother, she holds the Ryans by the short ones.
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Post by dustygal on Jul 6, 2011 6:13:40 GMT -8
Personally...with all of Franks parents flaws (and there are many...lol!) I think that they would of been a better choice for custody-after all...they end up taking care of him anyway~jmho.
Dusty
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Post by kathygrady on Jul 6, 2011 7:30:46 GMT -8
Mary is once again spot on. Considering Delia has again and again neglected her son, you do wonder why she's so adamant at getting custody of him. She's just going to dump him on Maeve every day anyway. Of course, Delia knows that, as Little John's mother, she holds the Ryans by the short ones. It wasn't a question of whether or not she should get custody- I for one do not think she should and in today's world she would not. My complaint was with Mary saying she shouldn't go to the hearing. In the first place if she failed to appear Frank would win. Mary was wrong. |
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 7:56:04 GMT -8
Mary is once again spot on. |
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Post by gladrags on Jul 6, 2011 8:47:03 GMT -8
Delia doesn't care about her son. Period. She only cares about him within the context of what he can do for her -- that being stay with the Ryans. So far, Mary and Frank are the only ones smart enough to figure that out. Showing up at the hearing doesn't make her a better mother; in fact, it makes her a worse one because she's using her kid for her own gain.
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 9:02:38 GMT -8
Delia doesn't care about her son. Period. She only cares about him within the context of what he can do for her -- that being stay with the Ryans. So far, Mary and Frank are the only ones smart enough to figure that out. Showing up at the hearing doesn't make her a better mother; in fact, it makes her a worse one because she's using her kid for her own gain. |
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Post by gladrags on Jul 6, 2011 9:12:30 GMT -8
"Right" and "nerve" are two different concepts.
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 9:22:30 GMT -8
"Right" and "nerve" are two different concepts. |
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Post by gladrags on Jul 6, 2011 9:49:24 GMT -8
You can have the right to do something yet not really belong there. Given Delia's track record with Little John, Mary's comment that Delia has the nerve to show up makes perfect sense. Delia is interested in her child only as far as he is a tie to the Ryans. She is not interested in being Little John's mother, as she has proven time and again. I myself would wonder why she bothered to show up.
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Post by Mr. Schmoe on Jul 6, 2011 9:55:07 GMT -8
Well, to protect her interests, of course.
The point is: She *is* interested in being LJ's mother (it is her ace-in-the-hole). Just not in the way in which we'd like her to be.
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Post by dustygal on Jul 6, 2011 10:12:37 GMT -8
Because Mary "says" so!  She was supposed to be there! That's why she has a lawyer and will be testifying for herself. After all she's not accused of abandonment! |
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 10:40:12 GMT -8
You can have the right to do something yet not really belong there. Given Delia's track record with Little John, Mary's comment that Delia has the nerve to show up makes perfect sense. Delia is interested in her child only as far as he is a tie to the Ryans. She is not interested in being Little John's mother, as she has proven time and again. I myself would wonder why she bothered to show up. |
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Post by fairplay28 on Jul 6, 2011 11:30:59 GMT -8
Mary's remark was a tad over the top, but it wasn't prompted by logic. Obviously she and the rest of the family are reeling from the news that it was Dee who pushed Frank. It's a wonder that Dee is still allowed to show her face at the Ryan homestead .But for the babe she would be out on her butt.
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 12:12:57 GMT -8
Mary's remark was a tad over the top, but it wasn't prompted by logic. Obviously she and the rest of the family are reeling from the news that it was Dee who pushed Frank. It's a wonder that Dee is still allowed to show her face at the Ryan homestead .But for the babe she would be out on her butt.
I think the writers are at fault here. They've got all the signs pointing the wrong way. Instead of the Ryans focusing on Delia's decision to walk off and leave Frank for dead, they keep talking about the fact that she pushed him. The former is far less ambiguous, and far more unforgivable, than the latter.
Then they've got Mary criticizing Delia's "nerve" in showing up at the custody hearing when, as you pointed out, her real nerve is in continuing to take up space in the Ryan household. Mary should be saying, "Ma, why the hell are you and Da letting her stay here? I don't want to look at her face every day, and I know you don't either."
That's where the problem comes with the writing. Mary is very direct in her comments. She doesn't take side angles, she goes straight at things. It just isn't in character for her to be bitching about Delia's attendance at the hearing. It does make sense for her to start another round of "Why does this family put up with Delia Reid Ryan."
My guess is that that's why the comment strikes a false note. When I heard the line, before I read the comments here, I thought, "Who wrote that line? That's awful." |
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Post by fairplay28 on Jul 6, 2011 12:28:59 GMT -8
She made the comment while Maeve was getting ready to go to the hearing. Mary's been completely obnoxious, though not wrong, about Delia lately. She might say something like that, IMO. It's no biggie.
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 12:33:21 GMT -8
She made the comment while Maeve was getting ready to go to the hearing. Mary's been completely obnoxious, though not wrong, about Delia lately. She might say something like that, IMO. It's no biggie.
Completely agree that Mary is right about Delia. I don't even fault her for being obnoxious. In her shoes, I'd probably be contemplating poisoning Delia's breakfast. |
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jul 6, 2011 13:03:14 GMT -8
Actually the question should be "Where does Mary get the nerve to attend the hearing?" Mary is not a party to the case. She is not one of LJ's parents, and she doesn't even live at the family home anymore (that whole "leave your family, and cleave to your husband" idea.) She is a married woman with her own home.
Let Delia and Ms. Burney and Frank work this out with the judge, and consult with the grandparents if necessary, but the aunt of the child who already has 2 living parents? She's the one who doesn't belong.
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 13:12:01 GMT -8
Actually the question should be "Where does Mary get the nerve to attend the hearing?" Mary is not a party to the case. She is not one of LJ's parents, and she doesn't even live at the family home anymore (that whole "leave your family, and cleave to your husband" idea.) She is a married woman with her own home. Let Delia and Ms. Burney and Frank work this out with the judge, and consult with the grandparents if necessary, but the aunt of the child who already has 2 living parents? She's the one who doesn't belong. |
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