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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 12:30:30 GMT -8
I was thinking, watching Mary bemoan the fact that Jack doesn't display Frank's enthusiasm about the news that he's about to become a father, how oddly things turned out in the end. Frank was thrilled to get Jill's news, yet for years his career consistently came before LJ and, during his short life, Edmund. Jack was churlish and offensive at the news, even suggesting that Mary abort the child, yet he's the one who ended up modeling Father of the Year.
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Post by forte on Jul 6, 2011 14:20:35 GMT -8
I did feel sorry for Mary. This news should be received with joy and togetherness. Instead, she's being blamed and viewed as the enemy. It's beyond unfair.
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 14:25:06 GMT -8
I did feel sorry for Mary. This news should be received with joy and togetherness. Instead, she's being blamed and viewed as the enemy. It's beyond unfair.
This sort of news should be received with shared joy, yes. But the decision wasn't made together, and Jack's been clear that he's very much against it. He's feeling trapped now and perceives this as one more trap he's fallen into.
He said nothing more true, though, than that he should've known better than to trust Mary with the responsibility for birth control. |
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Post by fairplay28 on Jul 6, 2011 14:29:26 GMT -8
Jack is behaving like a paranoid 5 year old about mary's responsibility for the pregnancy.
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Post by forte on Jul 6, 2011 14:31:11 GMT -8
He's a grown man. He had options available to him to ensure he never had any children. It was sexist and stupid of him not to take responsibility for his own fertility. He talks so much about not relying on other people; well, he had the opportunity to rely on himself to prevent a baby and chose not to.
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 14:33:39 GMT -8
Jack is behaving like a paranoid 5 year old about mary's responsibility for the pregnancy. |
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Post by Mr. Schmoe on Jul 6, 2011 14:35:48 GMT -8
He's a grown man. He had options available to him to ensure he never had any children. It was sexist and stupid of him not to take responsibility for his own fertility. He talks so much about not relying on other people; well, he had the opportunity to rely on himself to prevent a baby and chose not to. This is certainly true, viewed through the lens of 2011. But it just wasn't how people thought, back in those days. I can remember any number of people of that era saying, entirely seriously, that BC was (exclusively) the woman's responsibility - meaning specifically that if something went wrong, it was entirely on her. (Sad, but true) |
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Post by forte on Jul 6, 2011 14:38:04 GMT -8
Well, I'm the fool that can confirm that not all birth control is foolproof. If she did "forget" to take a pill, she's learning a hard lesson. Like Jack is learning a hard lesson about not taking responsibility for his own fertility.
Finally, they have something else in common. Unfortunately, it's not bringing them together, it's putting more distance between them. I fell sorry for both of them. They are resopnsible for their own hurt but it's still sad that they are hurting so deeply and without the ability to take comfort in each other.
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Post by Mr. Schmoe on Jul 6, 2011 14:38:17 GMT -8
Jack is behaving like a paranoid 5 year old about mary's responsibility for the pregnancy. ITA. And that I am of the school that believes the pill *is* 100% effective; they only claim something like 95% because people have been known to "forget" to take it. |
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jul 6, 2011 14:42:20 GMT -8
Mary had a very scientific explanation for the failure of birth control: "Mistakes were made. Accidents happen."
OK, Mary, if you say so.
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Post by Mr. Schmoe on Jul 6, 2011 14:43:19 GMT -8
Mary had a very scientific explanation for the failure of birth control: "Mistakes were made. Accidents happen." OK, Mary, if you say so. LOL S*** happens... |
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Post by forte on Jul 6, 2011 14:45:23 GMT -8
That's so true it should be in the Bible. Dung Occurreth (for those of us who prefer the King James Version.)
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Post by jwinks on Jul 6, 2011 15:32:56 GMT -8
I think they are both behaving like children
proving Jack's point that they are not ready for them LOL
however, no matter how much it gets picked apart, the characters obviously were crazy about each other and eventually Jack did indeed do exactly as the OP states........
it is sad that he trusted her so little he would assume she would trick him
and also sad that she acts so selfishly she would invite that assumption...........
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Post by originalbunnymom on Jul 6, 2011 16:38:28 GMT -8
"ITA. And that I am of the school that believes the pill *is* 100% effective; they only claim something like 95% because people have been known to "forget" to take it."
Sometimes "they" <forget> the condom as well... how much responsibility do men vs women <take>?
I think Jack would high five you on Mary's <forgetfulness>
And just to throw this out there: "The Pill", in it's various forms, is still in the process of being "tweaked" to this day. There was a "lodose" version that unfortunately ended up NOT being as protective <via pregnancy> within the last 15 years...
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Post by bethp0201 on Jul 6, 2011 17:25:02 GMT -8
I think you have to assume that everytime you have s*x, a pregnancy could occur, BC or no BC. Hear that, Jack? That's the way it works.
PS, in light of the new law in NY passed lately, I should say s*x between a man and a woman! LOL
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Post by destclev on Jul 6, 2011 19:07:32 GMT -8
Mary had a very scientific explanation for the failure of birth control: "Mistakes were made. Accidents happen." OK, Mary, if you say so. |
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Post by faithcoleridge on Jul 6, 2011 23:38:41 GMT -8
Mary had a very scientific explanation for the failure of birth control: "Mistakes were made. Accidents happen." OK, Mary, if you say so.
Rainbows, Susan |
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Post by forte on Jul 7, 2011 13:48:06 GMT -8
No, she answered almost like she had been punched in the stomach, which I'm sure was how she was feeling. It was a harsh scene, even more so knowing that KM was pregnant and going to give up her baby.
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Post by Fia on Jul 7, 2011 14:01:14 GMT -8
He may be paranoid in suggesting that she did it on purpose, but she knew exactly where he stood on the issue of the pregnancy, so expecting him to be anything but extremely unhappy is unrealistic. Did she subliminally "forget" to take a pill or two? I think that's quite possible. And if so, perhaps he's not so paranoid after all. ITA. And that I am of the school that believes the pill *is* 100% effective; they only claim something like 95% because people have been known to "forget" to take it. |
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Post by Mr. Schmoe on Jul 7, 2011 14:03:58 GMT -8
Not entirely true Joe.. If you are on antibiotics and the pill, the antibiotics can render the pill useless. This is how my niece conceived her third child. You're right! I've heard that - about antibiotics. |
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