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Post by safeandsound on Feb 4, 2021 16:42:09 GMT -8
RH right at the beginning of the clip
Jill & Bess - Frank. Roger, and Maggie
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Post by safeandsound on Feb 4, 2021 16:42:43 GMT -8
RH at about 19:09
Max & Sydney, Jack & Leigh, Frank, Maggie, and Dave
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Feb 26, 2021 20:43:46 GMT -8
This is OT but I didn't think my question was worth an actual thread so.. Did it seem to you that the Poppy/Tom storyline ended pretty abruptly? I remember that.. SPOILER... ...
he slips and falls or something offscreen and they just wrote him out of the show without a sendoff, but did the Poppy ghost story lead right up to the end of Tom's tenure, or had it concluded? I forget. SafeandSound? Anyone?
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Post by safeandsound on Feb 27, 2021 12:50:30 GMT -8
This is OT but I didn't think my question was worth an actual thread so.. Did it seem to you that the Poppy/Tom storyline ended pretty abruptly? I remember that.. SPOILER... ...
he slips and falls or something offscreen and they just wrote him out of the show without a sendoff, but did the Poppy ghost story lead right up to the end of Tom's tenure, or had it concluded? I forget. SafeandSound? Anyone? Yes! The Poppy/Tom/Faith triangle seemed like a dropped storyline to many of us There were a few months between the Theresa's look-a-like Poppy storyline and Tom's departure. The Poppy storyline ended in late June ...we saw Poppy leading Tom to the bedroom while Faith was telling everyone in town that Tom had left her. Tom then returned home to tell Faith how Poppy was going to Ireland to see the Donawhoos and meet her new found family. Poppy was determined to get Tom, so no idea why she suddenly gave up so easily. Also, how could Tom and Faith be sure Poppy wouldn't out Tom to the Donahues after they told her their side of the story. Cos' Tom's side of the story was very convoluted with many holes in it. On the old SN forum, we thought Tom probably killed Poppy and hid her in his old apartment and we were waiting for Barry Ryan to discover the body/bones after he moved in there. Tom and Faith were hardly seen the rest of the summer... I think Tom only appeared two or three times with barely any dialog. Tom and Faith reappear in mid-September... all happy and lovey-dovey. Tom chokes on a apple and bumps his head. Roger makes an "acceptable mistake" in treating him and Tom dies. Roger does falsify the medical records hiding his misdiagnosis.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Feb 27, 2021 14:59:22 GMT -8
Thanks for the info. I remember now that it seems like they were going to make Roger's screwup a new plot thread and instead they didn't go anywhere with it and it just fizzled. I also remember the SoapNet board theory about Poppy's corpse, now that you mention it. I'm sorry I don't remember all the details though so I have another question. (Unlike some RH story arcs I just watched the Poppy/Theresa story once, long ago) ... How do they transition between the Poppy story and the Theresa story? SPOILERS..
Isn't it something like, we learn that Tom was possibly responsible for Theresa's death in Ireland, fled to USA and was tortured by the memory while her family found out about his whereabouts when they heard Jack and Mary talking about Tom while on their honeymoon in Ireland. Then Tom gets a nurse or something because he's blind after going nuts and trying to kill faith and the nurse is Theresa lookalike Poppy? Where does the ghost of Theresa come in? Before or after the nurse/blindness happens? Is there a period where we have the character Poppy who is a real person and have the ghost/vision of Theresa both simultaneously interacting with Tom? Or does one character's arc follow the other? If you have time to fill me in please do!
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Post by safeandsound on Feb 28, 2021 12:58:53 GMT -8
... How do they transition between the Poppy story and the Theresa story? SPOILERS..
Isn't it something like, we learn that Tom was possibly responsible for Theresa's death in Ireland, fled to USA and was tortured by the memory while her family found out about his whereabouts when they heard Jack and Mary talking about Tom while on their honeymoon in Ireland. Then Tom gets a nurse or something because he's blind after going nuts and trying to kill faith and the nurse is Theresa lookalike Poppy? Where does the ghost of Theresa come in? Before or after the nurse/blindness happens? Is there a period where we have the character Poppy who is a real person and have the ghost/vision of Theresa both simultaneously interacting with Tom? Or does one character's arc follow the other? If you have time to fill me in please do!
Tom and Theresa wanted to marry but her family wanted her to marry some rich young man. Theresa went along with it but was secretly still seeing Tom. Theresa got out of the engagement but the family locked her up. The family blamed Tom for the marriage not taking place, so Theresa's brother, James, attacked Tom. Tom killed James with his hands. Tom was found not guilty (self-defense) The night before the verdict, Theresa was sneaking out and she fell out her bedroom window and died. The family again blamed Tom and vowed to kill him. That's when he came to America. Right about Mary and Jack. Tom had visions of Theresa first. The visions stopped after he had the pituitary tumor removed -which left him blind -in January. Not that long after that that Poppy became Tom's teacher in March. That secret was dormant for a long time, about a whole year, until Faith heard the audio tape of Roger and Rae talking about his mistake. The reveal led to Faith drinking again and also to the storyline of Delia framing drunk Faith for Barry's hit-and-run.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Feb 28, 2021 14:42:18 GMT -8
... How do they transition between the Poppy story and the Theresa story? SPOILERS..
Isn't it something like, we learn that Tom was possibly responsible for Theresa's death in Ireland, fled to USA and was tortured by the memory while her family found out about his whereabouts when they heard Jack and Mary talking about Tom while on their honeymoon in Ireland. Then Tom gets a nurse or something because he's blind after going nuts and trying to kill faith and the nurse is Theresa lookalike Poppy? Where does the ghost of Theresa come in? Before or after the nurse/blindness happens? Is there a period where we have the character Poppy who is a real person and have the ghost/vision of Theresa both simultaneously interacting with Tom? Or does one character's arc follow the other? If you have time to fill me in please do!
Tom and Theresa wanted to marry but her family wanted her to marry some rich young man. Theresa went along with it but was secretly still seeing Tom. Theresa got out of the engagement but the family locked her up. The family blamed Tom for the marriage not taking place, so Theresa's brother, James, attacked Tom. Tom killed James with his hands. Tom was found not guilty (self-defense) The night before the verdict, Theresa was sneaking out and she fell out her bedroom window and died. The family again blamed Tom and vowed to kill him. That's when he came to America. Right about Mary and Jack. Tom had visions of Theresa first. The visions stopped after he had the pituitary tumor removed -which left him blind -in January. Not that long after that that Poppy became Tom's teacher in March. That secret was dormant for a long time, about a whole year, until Faith heard the audio tape of Roger and Rae talking about his mistake. The reveal led to Faith drinking again and also to the storyline of Delia framing drunk Faith for Barry's hit-and-run. Well, I had some of it right at least. I knew Theresa had died and Tom had split right after. I think at the time maybe I thought it was disappointing that they wrapped up what was turning into a ghost story by blaming it on Tom's physical ailment, the tumor. So you're saying that at no time was Theresa and Poppy concurrent roles for the actress? After Poppy appears I thought there was some goading going on where Theresa was still visiting Tom in visions, trying to get him to kill Faith or something. Is that even close to being correct?
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Post by safeandsound on Feb 28, 2021 16:42:45 GMT -8
Well, I had some of it right at least. I knew Theresa had died and Tom had split right after. I think at the time maybe I thought it was disappointing that they wrapped up what was turning into a ghost story by blaming it on Tom's physical ailment, the tumor. So you're saying that at no time was Theresa and Poppy concurrent roles for the actress? After Poppy appears I thought there was some goading going on where Theresa was still visiting Tom in visions, trying to get him to kill Faith or something. Is that even close to being correct
It was all so confusing! Visions of Theresa happened first - where she was encouraging Tom to repeatedly kill "wicked Faith". Theresa and Poppy were not on at the same time but Poppy did start dressing like Theresa and copying her mannerisms when she was pursuing Tom.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 1, 2021 1:57:37 GMT -8
The Poppy storyline ended in late June ...we saw Poppy leading Tom to the bedroom while Faith was telling everyone in town that Tom had left her. Tom then returned home to tell Faith how Poppy was going to Ireland to see the Donawhoos and meet her new found family. Poppy was determined to get Tom, so no idea why she suddenly gave up so easily. I think the final Poppy scene is what really threw my memory off.. it was as if I had missed a Poppy sendoff episode, but when I looked for it it wasn't missing at all because I could see that all the other plot lines went on without a hiccup. I loved the Poppy/Theresa story. I remember now that the whole non-closure aspect of it was a real bummer at the time. They really didn't have anything supernatural after that in the Labine/Meyer run did they? Not until Roger and Dee(?) and everyone started having time travel flashbacks about Ryan's? That was way late in the L/M era. Or did I dream that too? I need to watch all of RH all the way through again to refresh my memory instead of focusing on the first two Frank eras every time I revisit the show. I guess I like it best when the characters aren't too extravagant, more down to earth instead of dating gangsters or going to Washington DC and opening ritzy restaurants and stuff. It's all good though. I like RH best when they're all still young and struggling.
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 1, 2021 14:39:59 GMT -8
Not until Roger and Dee(?) and everyone started having time travel flashbacks about Ryan's? That was way late in the L/M era. Or did I dream that too? I need to watch all of RH all the way through again to refresh my memory instead of focusing on the first two Frank eras every time I revisit the show. I guess I like it best when the characters aren't too extravagant, more down to earth instead of dating gangsters or going to Washington DC and opening ritzy restaurants and stuff. It's all good though. I like RH best when they're all still young and struggling.
Delia's past lives was another dropped s/l.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 1, 2021 15:33:27 GMT -8
Delia's past lives was another dropped s/l. Was it dropped because Labine & Meyer were fired?
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 2, 2021 17:04:11 GMT -8
Delia's past lives was another dropped s/l. Was it dropped because Labine & Meyer were fired?Labine& Mayer were still with the show and they dropped it for the Delia/Barry Ryan story.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 3, 2021 1:19:07 GMT -8
Was it dropped because Labine & Meyer were fired? Labine& Mayer were still with the show and they dropped it for the Delia/Barry Ryan story. Thank you for answering all these questions. It really is a sickness, but I have more please.. SPOILERS..
From what I remember, Barry was KGJ's manager and he started dating Dee and didn't tell her he was married. So you're saying just before this was the brief scenes of Dee (and I thought Roger) having past life flashbacks in Ryan's (or was it the Coleridge house?). How did they transition Dee into the Barry story from there. Did they just stop having her drift off into the flashback? Or did she drift off to begin with, like one of her usual fantasies, or did they cut to a past life scene out of nowhere with no context as to who was doing the flashback (if anyone). In other words, was it flashback today, gone tomorrow and heeeerrrree's Barry!?
I rewatched the last Poppy scenes and the followup conversation with Tom and Faith, and yeah his explanation is a bit odd. She went back to Ireland and Tom says maybe it's going to be a good thing or maybe it's going to be bad? I think Tom, ahem, got the Theresa obsession out of his system once and for all and Poppy took a hike. That's what I think. I bet also the writers were considering having Poppy actually be Theresa with amnesia, having fallen from her window or whatever on her head, and then it was abandoned. Since you mentioned Labine/Mayer's influences, howabout Wuthering Heights for an influence on Tom/Theresa aka Heathcliff/Cathy, or even shades of Vertigo with Stewart/Novak? Anyone ever bring those up to your knowledge S&S?
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 3, 2021 17:02:39 GMT -8
Labine& Mayer were still with the show and they dropped it for the Delia/Barry Ryan story. Thank you for answering all these questions. It really is a sickness, but I have more please.. SPOILERS..
From what I remember, Barry was KGJ's manager and he started dating Dee and didn't tell her he was married. So you're saying just before this was the brief scenes of Dee (and I thought Roger) having past life flashbacks in Ryan's (or was it the Coleridge house?). How did they transition Dee into the Barry story from there. Did they just stop having her drift off into the flashback? Or did she drift off to begin with, like one of her usual fantasies, or did they cut to a past life scene out of nowhere with no context as to who was doing the flashback (if anyone). In other words, was it flashback today, gone tomorrow and heeeerrrree's Barry!?
I rewatched the last Poppy scenes and the followup conversation with Tom and Faith, and yeah his explanation is a bit odd. She went back to Ireland and Tom says maybe it's going to be a good thing or maybe it's going to be bad? I think Tom, ahem, got the Theresa obsession out of his system once and for all and Poppy took a hike. That's what I think. I bet also the writers were considering having Poppy actually be Theresa with amnesia, having fallen from her window or whatever on her head, and then it was abandoned. Since you mentioned Labine/Mayer's influences, howabout Wuthering Heights for an influence on Tom/Theresa aka Heathcliff/Cathy, or even shades of Vertigo with Stewart/Novak? Anyone ever bring those up to your knowledge S&S? Exactly! Dr. Adam Cohen was hypnotizing Delia to help get to the root of her fears after the Prince Albert abduction. That led to the past lives s/l. And then- it just stopped. Not that I recall...but wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 4, 2021 14:47:56 GMT -8
Exactly! Dr. Adam Cohen was hypnotizing Delia to help get to the root of her fears after the Prince Albert abduction. That led to the past lives s/l. And then- it just stopped. Are there any storylines that are completely missing? The Dee flashback story was just a few episodes then it was abandoned. Are there any 80's stories like that that the cobbled together VHS compilations of 80's episodes completely miss? Also, I see posts on here of fragments of 80's eps which I am not sure are in the original VHS compilations. Are they? Also, what 80's/post-SoapNet stories are completely intact, and what are only the merest scraps? When I got my copies from Wanda (who never communicated with me after I sent my last money order for discs I have yet to receive, which is the sucker's payment method I now understand) she said the Irish Mob storyline was nearly complete. How are we RH fans fixed for complete/nearly complete/nearly incomplete/mere scraps/missing storylines? I'd be willing to make a graph to share to the RH community if you'd help me out. This is a lot to ask, but you seem like the keeper of the flame around here so I figured I'd give it a shot.
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 14, 2021 15:25:56 GMT -8
Are there any storylines that are completely missing? The Dee flashback story was just a few episodes then it was abandoned. Are there any 80's stories like that that the cobbled together VHS compilations of 80's episodes completely miss? Also, I see posts on here of fragments of 80's eps which I am not sure are in the original VHS compilations. Are they? Also, what 80's/post-SoapNet stories are completely intact, and what are only the merest scraps? When I got my copies from Wanda (who never communicated with me after I sent my last money order for discs I have yet to receive, which is the sucker's payment method I now understand) she said the Irish Mob storyline was nearly complete. How are we RH fans fixed for complete/nearly complete/nearly incomplete/mere scraps/missing storylines? I'd be willing to make a graph to share to the RH community if you'd help me out. This is a lot to ask, but you seem like the keeper of the flame around here so I figured I'd give it a shot. I have no idea about the post 1982 episodes. I have not watched them in sequence- just episodes here and there. I know that people have said there are big gaps missing in the storylines. I think some day the episodes might wind up online on some pay-to-watch site but only if there some other bigger and more popular old soap opera that leads the way with attracting viewers. I hope...
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 15, 2021 13:01:20 GMT -8
Are there any storylines that are completely missing? The Dee flashback story was just a few episodes then it was abandoned. Are there any 80's stories like that that the cobbled together VHS compilations of 80's episodes completely miss? Also, I see posts on here of fragments of 80's eps which I am not sure are in the original VHS compilations. Are they? Also, what 80's/post-SoapNet stories are completely intact, and what are only the merest scraps? When I got my copies from Wanda (who never communicated with me after I sent my last money order for discs I have yet to receive, which is the sucker's payment method I now understand) she said the Irish Mob storyline was nearly complete. How are we RH fans fixed for complete/nearly complete/nearly incomplete/mere scraps/missing storylines? I'd be willing to make a graph to share to the RH community if you'd help me out. This is a lot to ask, but you seem like the keeper of the flame around here so I figured I'd give it a shot. I have no idea about the post 1982 episodes. I have not watched them in sequence- just episodes here and there. I know that people have said there are big gaps missing in the storylines. I think some day the episodes might wind up online on some pay-to-watch site but only if there some other bigger and more popular old soap opera that leads the way with attracting viewers. I hope... That's never going to happen. The post 82's are up on Youtube in sequence, albeit in a fragmented and incomplete form. I'm watching them now. As for missing stories, so far I've found the Mitch Bronsky/hooker serial killer storyline is all but completely missing, so that's one that is pretty much lost. The synopsis I read really didn't explain his relationship to Faith or Siobahn. If you have that info could you please fill me in? Also I don't understand what the synopsis I did read meant by the Egyptian "River of Gold" that wound up being the macguffin of the Merit Kara plot. Do you don't know what that was about? Also what happened to the cop named Jim? Was he replaced by Bronsky in Faith's life? How did Aristotle die? Do you know? Do you have access to detailed synopses?
I found an 85 episode which I do not believe is on YouTube. I will link to it in a dedicated post, since I think finding a missing ep is a big deal to RH fans.
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 26, 2021 15:59:29 GMT -8
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on May 21, 2021 21:05:14 GMT -8
Thanks for the synopsis Safe&Sound. That's a big help.
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