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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Feb 26, 2021 20:38:58 GMT -8
Someone made a music video of Nancy Addison in The Dain Curse '78 adaptation.
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Post by safeandsound on Feb 27, 2021 13:18:17 GMT -8
Thanks! Great video and Nancy such an exquisite beauty. Always wonder how Nancy got the show to give her time off to film this while Kate Mulgrew said they wouldn't give her time off to do any outside projects. Malachy McCourt (Kevin) was also in the mini-series.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Feb 27, 2021 14:46:16 GMT -8
I think Nancy was hottest at the very beginning of the show when she had the Breck Girl hair and the hot 70's preppy clothes. Then a friend pointed out that she had a Judy Collins look and it ruined it for me. It seems like your former avatar, Catherine Hicks, when she came on upgraded Faith's style to be more like that of her sister. Faith got preppy while Jill got hippy is how I see it. Caitlin and Barrett's Faiths were all frump to match their personalities. Sweaters and corduroy pants, long necklaces over the sweater for Hicks' version. Hicks was the hottest of Faiths IMO. Great look and a hot sassy overachiever attitude to go with it. Either way, Nancy has to have been hotter than how her character is described in the book with no forehead, a weird body that makes you think she's thinner than she is (whatever that means), no earlobes and pointed ears. I haven't seen it yet but I can't imagine who Kevin plays unless they threw in a fat Irish character just for the movie. He might make a good author character who the Op confers with on the case, if it's anything like the book, but then that role would have been a pretty meaty part for some bit actor like Kevin going up against James Coburn's Op. I'll have to check it out.
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Post by safeandsound on Feb 28, 2021 13:11:58 GMT -8
Never read the book! Saw Dain's Curse mini-series from the library after I first got Soapnet - I don't recall who Malachy played but was surprised to see him in it.
Now that you mention it, I can see some slight connection with Nancy and Judy Collins.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Feb 28, 2021 14:54:29 GMT -8
Never read the book! Saw Dain's Curse mini-series from the library after I first got Soapnet - I don't recall who Malachy played but was surprised to see him in it. Now that you mention it, I can see some slight connection with Nancy and Judy Collins. I watched the mid-length edit of the Dain Curse last night. The first half was almost exactly like the book, while they took some liberties with the second half as far as having exposition actually acted out in scenes rather than being a voiceover by the detective Coburn. Malachy had a great part as an Irish detective. I don't know why I didn't think of "Mickey Linehan" being perfect for him in my previous message. The middle half of the mini series was completely cut from the commonly available edit that's on the internet. I want to see the 4+ hour version that is the complete series now more than ever. The current edit would make the story incomprehensible to anyone who never read the book. They don't even bother to to a voice over to explain the gaping holes in the plot in the edited version. Nancy is well cast, although she is better looking than how the character Gabrielle is described by Hammett in the book. The miniseries aired in May of '78. The last installment is basically Nancy going through morphine withdrawal, chewing the scenery and screaming for an hour. It's much more dramatic than in the book, and it puts the entire story on hold for way too long while we watch her overact. I'm wondering though.. was she cast in the part because of her performance as Jill when she was addicted to pain killers and had to do all the sweating and screaming? OR... did they write the RH storyline to cash in Nancy's performance as the morphine addict in the Dain's Curse? Anybody know if Jill was a druggie before or after May of 1978 (or before or after the miniseries was filmed, which couldn't have been that long before it aired, by TV production standards it wouldn't have been shelved for long)?
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Post by safeandsound on Feb 28, 2021 16:41:49 GMT -8
I watched the mid-length edit of the Dain Curse last night. The first half was almost exactly like the book, while they took some liberties with the second half as far as having exposition actually acted out in scenes rather than being a voiceover by the detective Coburn. Malachy had a great part as an Irish detective. I don't know why I didn't think of "Mickey Linehan" being perfect for him in my previous message. The middle half of the mini series was completely cut from the commonly available edit that's on the internet. I want to see the 4+ hour version that is the complete series now more than ever. The current edit would make the story incomprehensible to anyone who never read the book. They don't even bother to to a voice over to explain the gaping holes in the plot in the edited version. Nancy is well cast, although she is better looking than how the character Gabrielle is described by Hammett in the book. The miniseries aired in May of '78. The last installment is basically Nancy going through morphine withdrawal, chewing the scenery and screaming for an hour. It's much more dramatic than in the book, and it puts the entire story on hold for way too long while we watch her overact. I'm wondering though.. was she cast in the part because of her performance as Jill when she was addicted to pain killers and had to do all the sweating and screaming? OR... did they write the RH storyline to cash in Nancy's performance as the morphine addict in the Dain's Curse? Anybody know if Jill was a druggie before or after May of 1978 (or before or after the miniseries was filmed, which couldn't have been that long before it aired, by TV production standards it wouldn't have been shelved for long)?[/font][/quote] Thank you for some comparisons of the book and mini-series. Nancy filmed Dain Curse fall of 1977. She was MIA from the show for a short while at that time- Jill wasn't at Mary and Jack's second wedding. Jill's addiction was late winter 1979. Since Labine and Mayer like to borrow from movies, I always thought got the Jill addiction s/l from seeing Nancy in the mini-series.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 1, 2021 1:43:31 GMT -8
I forgot to mention, one of the doctors in the Dain Curse was Vince O'Brien who was Judge Wallach on RH. So that's 3 RH actors. I don't remember his story arc(s) though. Seneca/Nell maybe? Looks like he was an east coast actor, also played the Sheriff on Dark Shadows that used the same studio previously.
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 1, 2021 14:40:22 GMT -8
I forgot to mention, one of the doctors in the Dain Curse was Vince O'Brien who was Judge Wallach on RH. So that's 3 RH actors. I don't remember his story arc(s) though. Seneca/Nell maybe? Vince O'Brien was the judge during Frank and Delia's custody fight over Little John in 1976. He's the one who gave Maeve and Johnny (cough) temporary(cough) custody
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 1, 2021 15:51:20 GMT -8
I forgot to mention, one of the doctors in the Dain Curse was Vince O'Brien who was Judge Wallach on RH. So that's 3 RH actors. I don't remember his story arc(s) though. Seneca/Nell maybe? Vince O'Brien was the judge during Frank and Delia's custody fight over Little John in 1976. He's the one who gave Maeve and Johnny (cough) temporary(cough) custody That was it. The writers never really knew what to do with Little John in the early days did they? Once he was pawned off on Maeve and Jonny, it seems like Kevin was always offscreen watching him any time they needed to account for his whereabouts, although it seems like he'd be more useful making tips in the bar than watching the little brat. I guess that's why they came up with Miriam, although now that I think of it didn't she first appear as Edmund's and then Ryan's nanny? Did she ever watch Johnno? Kids in these shows were useful plot devices only for a little while and then they just ran it into the ground and they had to be invisible until they were needed again. Once Little J was no longer needed they sent him up to the living room with Kevin to play with the coffee pot I guess. The Ryan's being a Catholic family the writers were painted into a corner with all the baby plots. Had to have been more baby plots in RH than any other soap, I bet. Those are probably the least interesting story arcs IMO, with the exception of Dee's fake pregnancy which was done really well. They really made Dee squirm with that storyline! Plus she miscarried on the Easter weekend I was born.
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 2, 2021 17:00:35 GMT -8
it seems like Kevin was always offscreen watching him any time they needed to account for his whereabouts, although it seems like he'd be more useful making tips in the bar than watching the little brat. I guess that's why they came up with Miriam, although now that I think of it didn't she first appear as Edmund's and then Ryan's nanny? Did she ever watch Johnno? Kids in these shows were useful plot devices only for a little while and then they just ran it into the ground and they had to be invisible until they were needed again.; [/font][/quote] Yes, very strange to have Kevin watching Little John a lot. I think Miriam may have watched him a little but they had Mrs. Shaw who watched LJ most of the time. As he got a little older, they really used LJ to create set-ups to have Frank and Jill see each other during Frank's engagement to Faith. Scheming, sneaky LJ was really a chip off Delia's block at that time I already had two little ones of my own by that time
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 3, 2021 1:37:18 GMT -8
I didn't start watching until it was on SoapNet, and then not until '07. Got on the boards and saw the complaints about the repeats and learned the story about the 80's episodes. But.. I do remember RH from my childhood. I remember Oney's mom, whoever she was (can't think of the character's name), the young blonde, and having a crush on her. And I remember stopping the TV when she was on, but then she was gone, as was the show apparently. I also remember seeing promos for Ryan's Hope and thinking it was about a guy named Ryan, and thinking how boring that sounded. And I think I mixed up John Sanderford with Walt Willey from AMC and I thought he was "Ryan". Probably because someone called Frank "Ryan" at some point. That's what I remember from back then. That and the ABC "Love in the afternoon" promos, which would have been before the Oney/Johnno/whatsername (Callie? or something) period. My soap was whatever Bo and Hope were on, and thinking Bo was cool and that Hope was beautiful. This was before I was even in Kindergarden. Going to school really must have cramped my style, missing out on my soap opera hotties in the afternoon! No wonder I hated it.
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 3, 2021 16:53:21 GMT -8
I didn't start watching until it was on SoapNet, and then not until '07. Got on the boards and saw the complaints about the repeats and learned the story about the 80's episodes. But..
I do remember RH from my childhood. I remember Oney's mom, whoever she was (can't think of the character's name), the young blonde, and having a crush on her. And I remember stopping the TV when she was on, but then she was gone, as was the show apparently. I also remember seeing promos for Ryan's Hope and thinking it was about a guy named Ryan, and thinking how boring that sounded. And I think I mixed up John Sanderford with Walt Willey from AMC and I thought he was "Ryan". Probably because someone called Frank "Ryan" at some point. That's what I remember from back then. That and the ABC "Love in the afternoon" promos, which would have been before the Oney/Johnno/whatsername (Callie? or something) period. My soap was whatever Bo and Hope were on, and thinking Bo was cool and that Hope was beautiful. This was before I was even in Kindergarden. Going to school really must have cramped my style, missing out on my soap opera hotties in the afternoon! No wonder I hated it. Great memories! Bo and Hope on Days of our Lives. That was my much younger sisters favorite soap! I watched the early years Ryan's Hope until I went back to work. Usually the kids were tired after returning from the park and content to just color or play quietly for a while. I had a little b&w TV in the kitchen on while I was cleaning up and making the family lunch. When she got older, I tried to get my daughter to watch soap operas with me but she said the females on soaps weren't too bright. Tried again to get her to watch RH on SOAPnet, but still wasn't interested. Owney's mom was Lizzie played by actress Catherine Larson. She was very good and pretty. Very tall! and blonde! Walt Willey played the 4th Joe Novak.
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 4, 2021 15:08:32 GMT -8
I didn't start watching until it was on SoapNet, and then not until '07. Got on the boards and saw the complaints about the repeats and learned the story about the 80's episodes. But..
I do remember RH from my childhood. I remember Oney's mom, whoever she was (can't think of the character's name), the young blonde, and having a crush on her. And I remember stopping the TV when she was on, but then she was gone, as was the show apparently. I also remember seeing promos for Ryan's Hope and thinking it was about a guy named Ryan, and thinking how boring that sounded. And I think I mixed up John Sanderford with Walt Willey from AMC and I thought he was "Ryan". Probably because someone called Frank "Ryan" at some point. That's what I remember from back then. That and the ABC "Love in the afternoon" promos, which would have been before the Oney/Johnno/whatsername (Callie? or something) period. My soap was whatever Bo and Hope were on, and thinking Bo was cool and that Hope was beautiful. This was before I was even in Kindergarden. Going to school really must have cramped my style, missing out on my soap opera hotties in the afternoon! No wonder I hated it. Great memories! Bo and Hope on Days of our Lives. That was my much younger sisters favorite soap! I watched the early years Ryan's Hope until I went back to work. Usually the kids were tired after returning from the park and content to just color or play quietly for a while. I had a little b&w TV in the kitchen on while I was cleaning up and making the family lunch. When she got older, I tried to get my daughter to watch soap operas with me but she said the females on soaps weren't too bright. Tried again to get her to watch RH on SOAPnet, but still wasn't interested. Owney's mom was Lizzie played by actress Catherine Larson. She was very good and pretty. Very tall! and blonde! Walt Willey played the 4th Joe Novak. That's right. Lizzie! As I said earlier I've only seen some of the storylines once. I could not remember her name. I knew it ended in -ie. I think I must have started watching Ryan's Hope back then because of name recognition with "Hope" in the title.
That's cool that you gave your kids an opportunity to watch RH, though. Even if it didn't take. Other soaps are dumbed down crap IMO, especially in the 80's and onward. RH is like Capra compared to everything else.
I'd like to think Willey would have been an improvement over his predecessors, but aside from the potential romantic appeal of a storyline with one of the Ryans married to a gangster the Novak stories are totally dull to me. I forget exactly how it went, but the mystery of SPOILER..
Mary's murder and its connection to Tiso just went on waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long mainly because they strung it out to focus on the romance of Siobhan and Joe, two character who IMO no matter who played them had absolutely no chemistry whatsoever and who had absolute mindless fluff for dialogue, and for weeks on end! Meanwhile they put the whole reason for having Joe in the show in the first place, Mary's murder, on the back burner. That period of the SoapNet era is the most dismal period of RH. It is a chore to slog through, especially knowing the Mary murder mystery is tied into it.
EDIT Also, I think Joe was a pretty lightweight character. He really didn't have anything to distinguish him from any other late 70's early 80's hood character. They wrote him into the show to give Siobhan her own "Jack", someone the family didn't approve of that was from the wrong side of the tracks, and they did this because Jack by this time was already "domesticated" so to speak. Jack wasn't a threat anymore. They even tease Jack and Siobhan hooking up, so it's obvious to me Joe was written in as the next best thing. Yeah, the Tiso/Joe story goes way too long, gets way to involved in other characters' lives too like Dee and her restaurant, and I was glad when it ended. The Irish Mob story not long after was a big improvement on the same theme. Just my opinion.
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 14, 2021 15:27:53 GMT -8
That's right. Lizzie! As I said earlier I've only seen some of the storylines once. I could not remember her name. I knew it ended in -ie. I think I must have started watching Ryan's Hope back then because of name recognition with "Hope" in the title.
That's cool that you gave your kids an opportunity to watch RH, though. Even if it didn't take. Other soaps are dumbed down crap IMO, especially in the 80's and onward. RH is like Capra compared to everything else.
I'd like to think Willey would have been an improvement over his predecessors, but aside from the potential romantic appeal of a storyline with one of the Ryans married to a gangster the Novak stories are totally dull to me. I forget exactly how it went, but the mystery of SPOILER..
Mary's murder and its connection to Tiso just went on waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long mainly because they strung it out to focus on the romance of Siobhan and Joe, two character who IMO no matter who played them had absolutely no chemistry whatsoever and who had absolute mindless fluff for dialogue, and for weeks on end! Meanwhile they put the whole reason for having Joe in the show in the first place, Mary's murder, on the back burner. That period of the SoapNet era is the most dismal period of RH. It is a chore to slog through, especially knowing the Mary murder mystery is tied into it.
EDIT Also, I think Joe was a pretty lightweight character. He really didn't have anything to distinguish him from any other late 70's early 80's hood character. They wrote him into the show to give Siobhan her own "Jack", someone the family didn't approve of that was from the wrong side of the tracks, and they did this because Jack by this time was already "domesticated" so to speak. Jack wasn't a threat anymore. They even tease Jack and Siobhan hooking up, so it's obvious to me Joe was written in as the next best thing. Yeah, the Tiso/Joe story goes way too long, gets way to involved in other characters' lives too like Dee and her restaurant, and I was glad when it ended. The Irish Mob story not long after was a big improvement on the same theme. Just my opinion. \
The mob storyline didn't appeal to me because I had more than enough of it on other soap operas at that same time and didn't like it infiltrating little Ryan's Hope world. Yes, Joe gave rebel Siobhan the family trait. and falling in line with the other Ryan members, of trying to save someone. Never believed Siobhan (at least Sarah's Siobhan) would reunite with Joe after learning about Mary -
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Post by THE BLUE ROBE on Mar 15, 2021 12:50:11 GMT -8
So that's why RH focused on the mob. Other soaps were doing it. Figures. I like the small time crooks like Nick Szabo better than the big timers like Tiso and Alexi. They were too much on a grand scale for a nice little story like RH. Totally agree with you. RH could pull off a Szabo, but the Novotnys and Bartovas of the world were just completely unbelievable in the same way that characters like the Kirklands and Rae never really seemed that wealthy. I don't think I'd have minded the big time mobsters so much if they hadn't invaded every aspect of the show though, had they just been on for a little while. Instead, boring ass bargain basement Al Pacino Joe basically took over the show for a couple of years. The death of Mary should have nipped his romance with Siobahn in the bud long before that happened.
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Post by safeandsound on Mar 26, 2021 15:51:40 GMT -8
So that's why RH focused on the mob. Other soaps were doing it. Figures.
Although I think Claire Labine like those kind of crime stories as she also did them on other soaps operas Yes, and Nick had ties to Riverside and was a better fit being a neighborhood thug
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