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Post by destclev on Jul 5, 2011 14:16:18 GMT -8
I don't know -- we have to see that morning after scene again -- Martha seems quite satisfied and gives Jack an A+. I don't care what Jack says later, he's essentially re-writing history. At the time it seems like his plumbing was working just fine. I know each time I re-watch these scenes, I pick up different meanings so I'll wait to see how this comes across in 2011. I hadn't considered the possibility that Jack might've been less than honest with Mary. I do seem to recall that the morning after Martha spent the night with Jack, he essentially apologized to her for not meeting expectations.
Yes, we'll certainly have to keep an eye peeled this time around.
At this point, Martha seems like a much better match for Jack than Mary, anyway. I'd just as soon he tested his "corrected" equipment with her.
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jul 5, 2011 14:33:15 GMT -8
Don't forget, it' a different actress playing Martha, then (Dorrie Kavanaugh). Didn't she come out of the bathroom wearing the BLUE BATHROBE OF SEX just as Mary arrived? Mary sure got the impression that something had happened between Jack and Martha, and neither of them did anything to disabuse of her of that impression. In essence, even if he didn't, he sure let her think that it did.
JULY 1977 SPOILER ABOUT JACK AND MARTHA: FROM RBO IN BEIGE: Mary discovers Martha in Jack's apartment. Johnny and Little John encounter Jill and Edmund in the park. Instinctively, Jill turns to Johnny for paternal support while realizing that old habits die hard. A stunned Mary asks Martha if she spent the night and hears what she doesn't want. After Mary leaves, Jack apologizes to Martha and admits that he did not realize how much this would hurt him, too. Bob comforts a despondent Alicia, who is convinced that her brother is going to die. Mary returns to Jack's apartment in a rage and gives him the one thing that he has been waiting for - an annulment. Episode 526
Mary tells Frank what happened at Jack's apartment and that the marriage is officially ended. Frank is sure Delia knew Martha was at the apartment and that she set Mary up. Johnny comforts Alicia and offers to call Fr. McShane for Angel, when she finds that their pastor is unavailable. Mary seeks comfort in her daughter while a miserable Jack remembers better times. Fr. McShane gives Angel his last rites. Frank calls Jack and arranges for a meeting at the chancery. While he has him on the phone, Jack gets a statement about the conditions at Riverside hospital. Johnny comforts Mary when she tells him that things between her and Jack are over.
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Post by destclev on Jul 5, 2011 19:38:05 GMT -8
Don't forget, it' a different actress playing Martha, then (Dorrie Kavanaugh). Didn't she come out of the bathroom wearing the BLUE BATHROBE OF SEX just as Mary arrived? Mary sure got the impression that something had happened between Jack and Martha, and neither of them did anything to disabuse of her of that impression. In essence, even if he didn't, he sure let her think that it did. Absolutely, Mary certainly did get that impression, and Jack did nothing to dispel it. For some reason, this one has always stuck in my mind. For one thing, I saw the basement scene in the original run, but I didn't see the scene when Mary walks in at the apartment. I was in grad school at the time, and I bought a Beta Max and started recording just as the basement scenes got underway. So I didn't even know, I don't think, about Jack's impotence. What I remembered was Jack quoting Martha as saying he couldn't, um, "perform" with Martha because she wasn't Mary.
When the reruns started 30 years later and I saw the scenes with Martha, what hit me then was that Jack had to some extent misrepresented things to Mary, because it was clear in the morning-after scene that he'd found other ways to please Martha sexually, a crucial fact that went unmentioned in the basement.
Let's try to remember to revisit this when it rolls around this time, okay? If I'm remembering wrong (which certainly has happened before), I'd like to get it straight. Something tells me that even though I have it on tape somewhere in the basement, this is the last time I'll ever watch these scenes.
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Post by forte on Jul 6, 2011 0:23:05 GMT -8
Sure there is. You start with one part Delia, then add anything or anyone at all.
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