spvati
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Post by spvati on Jul 9, 2011 21:33:45 GMT -8
I had to laugh in Friday's episode when Frank said in front of the judge that he didn't mention Jill's pregnancy b/c he didn't feel it was relevant to the custody case.... What a crock! If Dee were now pregnant w/Roger's love child, would Frank & the family feel THAT wasn't relevant? HA! They'd be raking Dee over the coals for trying to hide such a thing, ole wicked, dishonest Dee at it again... Please don't get me wrong--I in no way condone Dee's antics & she doesn't deserve custody of her son, but I don't condone Frank/the Ryans' double standard either. They certainly are quick enough to hold others to account when it comes to the truth, but if the truth gets in a Ryan's way, well, then it isn't so vital any longer...  |
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Post by destclev on Jul 9, 2011 22:18:24 GMT -8
I had to laugh in Friday's episode when Frank said in front of the judge that he didn't mention Jill's pregnancy b/c he didn't feel it was relevant to the custody case.... What a crock! If Dee were now pregnant w/Roger's love child, would Frank & the family feel THAT wasn't relevant? HA! They'd be raking Dee over the coals for trying to hide such a thing, ole wicked, dishonest Dee at it again... Please don't get me wrong--I in no way condone Dee's antics & she doesn't deserve custody of her son, but I don't condone Frank/the Ryans' double standard either. They certainly are quick enough to hold others to account when it comes to the truth, but if the truth gets in a Ryan's way, well, then it isn't so vital any longer...
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Post by Mr. Schmoe on Jul 10, 2011 0:52:10 GMT -8
Another way to look at it is that, yes, of course there is a double standard between how we treat men and women. Does anyone honestly believe that we (both as persons and as a society) don't treat men and women differently?
And it is definitely "swings and roundabouts" - some things benefit men and other things benefit women.
Also, the whole "a child belongs with its mother" concept, which clearly favors women in custody issues to this day, is based on an assumption of, for lack of a better phrase, "moral purity" on the part of the mother. So, since that is what they (mothers) are selling, in the custody game, it is more relevant that they possess it (if you see what I mean...)
I.e., nobody really expects it of the father (since most divorces happen because the man strays), so it is not an issue.
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Post by carol on Jul 10, 2011 5:15:48 GMT -8
He's a lawyer. He wouldn't bring up something that wouldn't enhance his case. No mystery there.
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Post by spvati on Jul 11, 2011 13:06:05 GMT -8
I can certainly understand why Frank wouldn't want to bring it up and damage his standing in the judge's eyes...I'm just saying that he's claiming it didn't have anything to do w/the custody issue--if that's true, he wouldn't have kept it a secret. And if Dee had kept such a thing a secret, if she were now pg. by Roger, the Ryans would've villified her for it.
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jul 11, 2011 13:17:17 GMT -8
I can certainly understand why Frank wouldn't want to bring it up and damage his standing in the judge's eyes...I'm just saying that he's claiming it didn't have anything to do w/the custody issue--if that's true, he wouldn't have kept it a secret. And if Dee had kept such a thing a secret, if she were now pg. by Roger, the Ryans would've villified her for it. So then here we have Johnny and Frank this morning in the Bar, complaining not that Frank put himself in such a compromising position, but that Delia spilled the beans and the judge found out. The point was they were keeping this secret from the judge, because they knew he would think it was damaging to Frank's image as a moral and upstanding family man. They even mentioned what a liar Dee was. (And maybe her affair with Rog? I don't remember if that came up in the conversation.) But whether you approve or not, Frank was a liar who had an affair while he was married. That's a basic fact. But Frank is still presumed to be a "good guy." |
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Post by fairplay28 on Jul 11, 2011 14:56:38 GMT -8
When Dee came in from the hearing she ran to Pat, flung herself into his arms and distorted into lies everything that was said. When Frank came in he went to LJ (who was not crying). Frank cares about his son. Dee is just onto her next prey. There's the difference.
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jul 11, 2011 15:13:59 GMT -8
When Dee came in from the hearing she ran to Pat, flung herself into his arms and distorted into lies everything that was said. When Frank came in he went to LJ (who was not crying). Frank cares about his son. Dee is just onto her next prey. There's the difference. But Frank "Mr. Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth" Ryan was deliberately hiding something from the judge which could have caused him to lose custody -- which, once the judge knew, did cause him to lose custody -- so I don't think Frank and Johnny were being very admirable today. For example. Suppose Staples is having a sale on teacher supplies. And suppose someone who isn't exactly a teacher goes into Staples and buys the supplies that are on sale but doesn't tell them she isn't a teacher. (Fortunately that person looks like a teacher.) Isn't that person a liar and a cheater? Yes, even though her little candy heart is pure. Wrong is wrong. She should be busted. I mean, Frank should be busted. |
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Post by fairplay28 on Jul 11, 2011 19:22:04 GMT -8
I don't blame Delia for tracking down her little bombshell and I certainly don't blame the Ryans for trying to keep it from her. You don't hand over the ammunition to the other side. Furthermore, In court you are not required to offer up damning evidence about yourself. You are even allowed to not answer if asked. But you are not allowed to lie. The Ryans did not lie. They did not deny that Jill was pregnant. They just didn't tell.
However, it's lucky for LJ that the truth did come out because he will be much better off with bubby and zayde than with either of his deadbeat parents.
If Staples wanted to give a discount only to teachers they would ask for ID. If they don't care why should a customer who needs teacher supplies. It's not like Staples has a limited supply that will run out and teachers and therefore their students will be denied.
Apple, on the other hand, has a deal for students and educators,$100.00 off and a free something also worth $100.00, and they do require proof. So if someone faked proof they would be a liar and a cheat.
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Post by spvati on Jul 12, 2011 7:56:25 GMT -8
They even mentioned what a liar Dee was. (And maybe her affair with Rog? I don't remember if that came up in the conversation.) But whether you approve or not, Frank was a liar who had an affair while he was married. That's a basic fact. But Frank is still presumed to be a "good guy." >>>>>>>>>> Yes, Johnny groused about Dee having an affair & being a liar....of course, he didn't mention that King Frank was guilty of those same sins......Frank's indeed the good guy, I guess at least when compared to Dee. Imo, he's simply the lesser of two evils as I don't see Frank as being such a great parent or morally superior person.
Again, I can understand that Frank would do his best to keep the judge from finding out about Jill's pregnancy & even Ann Burney said that Frank wasn't legally required to reveal such info.......What bugs me is the double standard: if Dee were having Rog's love child & tried to keep it hidden until after the custody hearing was over, the Ryans would have a field day raking her over the coals for it. They wouldn't worry about the legalities of her staying mum--nope, she'd be wicked, sinful Dee trying to pull a fast one! Frank, on the other hand, is above reproach, as usual.
Hmmmm, interesting that Frank & John are grousing about DEE being a liar: she didn't lie about the pregnancy, she didn't make up a nasty story about Frank. In fact, Princess Jill is the one lying about the pregnancy since she fully believes she's carrying Seneca's child....Frank loses custody of one child for another child Jill doesn't even think is his!!!!!!  |
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Post by dustygal on Jul 12, 2011 8:23:32 GMT -8
Another way to look at it is that, yes, of course there is a double standard between how we treat men and women. Does anyone honestly believe that we (both as persons and as a society) don't treat men and women differently? And it is definitely "swings and roundabouts" - some things benefit men and other things benefit women. Also, the whole "a child belongs with its mother" concept, which clearly favors women in custody issues to this day, is based on an assumption of, for lack of a better phrase, "moral purity" on the part of the mother. So, since that is what they (mothers) are selling, in the custody game, it is more relevant that they possess it (if you see what I mean...) I.e., nobody really expects it of the father (since most divorces happen because the man strays), so it is not an issue. Mr. Schmoe is correct imho~there has always been a double standard in society..right or wrong. Soaps are supposed to be a reflection of society so it's only natural that Dee be held to a higher standard omho~ Dusty |
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Post by scarlettudor on Jul 12, 2011 18:52:48 GMT -8
Yes, women are held to a higher standard, still are. They are expected to be more civilized, less a victim of their passions (maybe not even supposed to have any passions), and the keepers of the hearth.
When they kick over the traces and run off with a lovah, it's much more shocking and titillating than when a man does.
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Post by bethp0201 on Jul 12, 2011 19:19:29 GMT -8
Another way to look at it is that, yes, of course there is a double standard between how we treat men and women. Does anyone honestly believe that we (both as persons and as a society) don't treat men and women differently? And it is definitely "swings and roundabouts" - some things benefit men and other things benefit women. Also, the whole "a child belongs with its mother" concept, which clearly favors women in custody issues to this day, is based on an assumption of, for lack of a better phrase, "moral purity" on the part of the mother. So, since that is what they (mothers) are selling, in the custody game, it is more relevant that they possess it (if you see what I mean...) I.e., nobody really expects it of the father (since most divorces happen because the man strays), so it is not an issue. I never was of the opinion that one gender's "moral purity" came into the argument of which parent should get the child. I assumed it was because the mother (esp. at that time) was the primary caretaker and knew how to take care of the children because that was what she had been doing! The father would have been away at a job and not be anywhere near as familiar with the routines of the child's life, or as emotionally attached. that is of course in flux now, but I still see the Mom as the most important parent in a young child's life. JMO!
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Post by scarlettudor on Jul 13, 2011 5:58:12 GMT -8
The statistic that I read that I found the saddest was that, post divorce, men's income tended to go up and women's (and children's) tended to go waaaay down.
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