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Post by originalbunnymom on Aug 1, 2011 17:42:32 GMT -8
I forgot to add I did like Alex's reminiscing about he and his wife and their baby. ITA, Safe - and I appreciate your "girlfriend" take...
Marianne
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Aug 1, 2011 20:05:11 GMT -8
What do you want to bet he really did kill his wife? What's with the "obsession" with the Connecticut "horse farm"? And then he abruptly leaves town after his rendezvous with Merry? (Ok, 2 months later). Oh, if Jack could only investigate this guy. Unfortunately, Jack is impotent (it's all over the Internet).
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Post by safeandsound on Aug 2, 2011 7:49:57 GMT -8
What do you want to bet he really did kill his wife? What's with the "obsession" with the Connecticut "horse farm"? And then he abruptly leaves town after his rendezvous with Merry? (Ok, 2 months later). Oh, if Jack could only investigate this guy. Unfortunately, Jack is impotent (it's all over the Internet). If he stayed -- his mother could eventually have come to visit the way Bucky's mother and Seneca's mother did -- we'd probably have learned a lot more about Alex if we had met her.
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Aug 2, 2011 12:25:04 GMT -8
What do you want to bet he really did kill his wife? What's with the "obsession" with the Connecticut "horse farm"? And then he abruptly leaves town after his rendezvous with Merry? (Ok, 2 months later). Oh, if Jack could only investigate this guy. Unfortunately, Jack is impotent (it's all over the Internet). If he stayed -- his mother could eventually have come to visit the way Bucky's mother and Seneca's mother did -- we'd probably have learned a lot more about Alex if we had met her. He could be a serial killer - luring Mary to that horse farm in Connecticut with the purpose of bumping her off -- but the ground was frozen and that ruined his plans..... Actually, poor Alex, he doesn't even have to be present to be the shining hero to Mary. The way she enthuses about Alex, and his wonderful qualities, as opposed to Jack, whom she seems to despise at this point, I don't think Alex's cheerful affect is Ed's acting choice, but the way the character is written.
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Post by destclev on Aug 2, 2011 14:04:34 GMT -8
I don't think Alex's cheerful affect is Ed's acting choice, but the way the character is written. I completely agree. The writers have gone overboard on this one. Alex, as he's been written lately, is a cardboard cutout. Yay to everything Mary, nay to everything Jack, yay to cornpone and grits and Alex as one big Howdy Doody.
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Post by jwinks on Aug 2, 2011 19:14:58 GMT -8
howdy doody that's good lmao but as the originator of lego hair model I have to insist that you refer to him as lego head only
sorry it's late and I'm a little punchy........anything seems funny to me at theis hour tomorrow I will feel stupid for posting this but it's fun now LOL
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Post by Echo on Aug 2, 2011 22:28:08 GMT -8
If he stayed -- his mother could eventually have come to visit the way Bucky's mother and Seneca's mother did -- we'd probably have learned a lot more about Alex if we had met her. He could be a serial killer - luring Mary to that horse farm in Connecticut with the purpose of bumping her off -- but the ground was frozen and that ruined his plans..... Actually, poor Alex, he doesn't even have to be present to be the shining hero to Mary. The way she enthuses about Alex, and his wonderful qualities, as opposed to Jack, whom she seems to despise at this point, I don't think Alex's cheerful affect is Ed's acting choice, but the way the character is written. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So many interesting responses to this thread!! (thanks everyone, for commenting on what I wrote.) I miss posting and reading this board! (life is very busy right now ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ), and I haven't haven't had time to read or write about the show. Almost caught up to current episodes,except for yesterday's shows. Cheryl, I am replying on your post, because when I read it,I thought OMG! I thought I was the only one who was suspicious upon hearing Alex tell Mary how his wife passed. My mind went directly to the horrible scene in the Gene Tierney film "Leave Her To Heaven", where one character watched another who could not swim, with the tragic results Alex 'watched', regarding his wife. (won't spoil, if anyone wants to see that movie.) Alex is so squeaky clean. I would say 'too good to be true', but his 'perfect' reactions to the entire Ryan family, does not ring all that true to me. He is very attracted to Mary, and his constant socializing with the Ryan's very much reminds me of in high school, when guys want to visit with your parents, to 'look good' to you. How many times has Alex showed up at Ryan's, and NOT checked in on Jack? (Too many, with lots of excuses.) .....Some doctor. A bad one, imo. Giving Johnny the moonshine in front of Jack, knowing how Jack feels about Johnny was insensitive. But then again, Alex is a member of the "Let's all put our heads together and talk about how moody Jack is" club. And of course, behind his back. If I had just started withing RH now, I would be thinking Alex has an agenda, and was not there to help Jack heal. (Au contraire). I so wish Jack had not decided to rush home to see Mary that fateful night, (more like I wish the writers had developed some other SL instead of this), because ever since, it has taken something away from the show for me. If we are to feel/believe Mary Ryan is the belle of Ryanville, well, I will just say this SL has made me dislike her more with every episode. At fourteen, I would never ever ever have been insensitive to someone's misfortune, as she is. I heard Mary saying to Jack: "You took your accident so seriously", as the epitome of insensitivity. If Jack and Mary were to be the RH's main couple, (along with Jillian and Frank), WHY write this "Mary and her family and friends vs. Jack Fennelli": round one thousand, and counting SL?? -Echo-
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Post by destclev on Aug 3, 2011 5:01:32 GMT -8
I heard Mary saying to Jack: "You took your accident so seriously", as the epitome of insensitivity. If Jack and Mary were to be the RH's main couple, (along with Jillian and Frank), WHY write this "Mary and her family and friends vs. Jack Fennelli": round one thousand, and counting SL?? Echo, the "You took the accident so hard" line was the one that did it for me, too. I don't care what else was going on in Mary's life or Jack's, she had to be in La La Land to say that.
And I wonder, I dearly wonder, whether Claire intended to achieve the effect she has -- where so many viewers are growing to loathe Mary -- or whether she thought she had established Mary so firmly as the Belle of Riverside that viewers would automatically swallow the company line, the one with which they're sledge-hammering us every day: that Jack was an ogre and Mary long suffering and sweet.
By the way, I miss you around here!
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Post by pokemonmom on Aug 3, 2011 15:41:07 GMT -8
Maybe Alex(love his the lego head) was introduced and with the story suggestions and hints left to see if he would be liked by the fans. or was Jack in some sort of contract negociations..Operate on Jack--life or death , hanging by a thread while they sign any contracts in the back room---The soaps today would not even hesitate to put conflict in a marriage for ratings...
Alex could be likable, He could have been kept to pick up Faith's emotional pieces instead of Tom after Dee's final claws(devious attention getting plans) come out to finally ensnare poor Pat...
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Aug 3, 2011 16:26:38 GMT -8
Actually the cast signed 2-year-contracts so no one's contracts were up till July. (Kate Mulgrew stayed an extra 6 months to wrap up the Jack and Mary happy honeymoon storyline.) No, I think Alex was put there, just to be as sunny as Jack could be cloudy.
And Mary is a big ol' bag of wind.
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Post by Echo on Aug 3, 2011 23:21:47 GMT -8
I heard Mary saying to Jack: "You took your accident so seriously", as the epitome of insensitivity. If Jack and Mary were to be the RH's main couple, (along with Jillian and Frank), WHY write this "Mary and her family and friends vs. Jack Fennelli": round one thousand, and counting SL?? Echo, the "You took the accident so hard" line was the one that did it for me, too. I don't care what else was going on in Mary's life or Jack's, she had to be in La La Land to say that.
And I wonder, I dearly wonder, whether Claire intended to achieve the effect she has -- where so many viewers are growing to loathe Mary -- or whether she thought she had established Mary so firmly as the Belle of Riverside that viewers would automatically swallow the company line, the one with which they're sledge-hammering us every day: that Jack was an ogre and Mary long suffering and sweet.
By the way, I miss you around here!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First of all, Thanks Debbie! I've been extremely busy, but in the corner of my mind I wonder what I am missing when not reading the board. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I miss chatting with you too. Hopefully I can spend more time here, like I usually do. You asked a great question, Debbie. I wonder too if Mary was seen as the 'good girl', the shining star of the Ryan's, during the original run, during this part of the show? I remember reading lots of posters loved Mary when the show first aired, but are irritated by her now. But during this SL!? How can Mary's coldness toward Jack not be seen just as it is, that she is cold and insensitive. I always try to like her, but it's getting harder with each episode. Her doing a Delia, listening to Jack talking on the phone, while lurking in the hallway, then accosting him because she does not like Roger, (of course relating to Frank) was ridiculous, as well as mean. As this SL lingers on, I am starting to feel Jack's despair, in the dark dank atmosphere of Mary's room. The Ryan's all gossip disapprovingly about him downstairs. It's vicious. I wrote on another thread that Jack's comment about him not caring if he didn't' make it thorough the corrective surgery was reactive, an indication of how desperate he feels. Yet Mary jumped on him, of course she gets angry, calling him stupid, because he told her how he truly feels. Mary's constantly telling Jack that she fells how she feels, and that is not going to change. Why the double standard? And Why no empathy? Telling Jack that his despair is normal after being cooped up and frustrated and injured and in severe pain, (lots to deal with!) for so long would have been the kind thing to do. He could have used an understanding ear. Mary is obnoxious and snide, just not a nice person, IMO. Certainly no belle of anything in my eyes, more of a Nurse Cratchet. -Echo-
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