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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jun 23, 2011 13:29:20 GMT -8
OMG, she is so annoying. That poor man is such agony, and she starts to blather on and on.....Finally reading Kathleen's letter to him as if that would have soothed him. Even her voice is annoying!
But before that, she's telling Maeve how Delia should be pushed out of the house. First of all, it's not her home anymore. It's none of her business if Maeve feels it's best for Delia to stay there with Little John. How dare she start railing against Delia!
Mary is such a PITA.
Where is TMITGH when you need him?
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Post by dustygal on Jun 23, 2011 13:35:26 GMT -8
omg! I couldn't agree more!! I was screaming at her to shut up here at 4:00 am!
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Post by riversideresident on Jun 23, 2011 15:31:06 GMT -8
I am SO sick of Mary. I realize this is probably RH Heresy...since I know she is like the mainstay of the show for a long time...but I can't stand her. I hate to say this but I can't even feel sorry for her right now.
I also have to say, if my husband were that close to death, and he was suffering that much, I would just be so grateful that he is alive and able to communicate, I wouldn't much care about impotence or insurance - to the point of basically harassing him; I think, for at least a little while, I'd be enveloping myself in gratitude and relief.
And most importantly, I'd let him get rest and sleep, so he can recover faster. She's busy telling the doctors not to do their tests but its okay for her to show up at the hospital at 2:30 am. She starts talking to the nurse, in the room, and when he wakes up, she says " Oh, did we wake you?!" Duh!!
She grates on me. I FF through almost every scene she is in now.
And she was way, way out of line when she told Delia to go running to Roger. That was her at her snottiest.
J.
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Post by fairplay28 on Jun 23, 2011 19:00:27 GMT -8
That scene was completely absurd. I truly can't imagine anyone but a total idiot, or maybe Delia, acting the way Mary did. I can't help but wonder what the writers were getting at. they supposedly liked Mary.
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Post by luryanfan on Jun 24, 2011 8:12:45 GMT -8
This is my fourth viewing of our beloved RH, and I find myself loathing Mary. I never minded her before, but this final time she is on my last nerve. Poor Jack !! She never stops pestering him for one second ! Did she really have to grill him about health insurance at that moment when she could plainly see how much pain he was in ? At 2:30 in the morning ? Jeez And when he told her to leave of course she did not. Typical Mary Queen of Riverside. And how about Alex, all dressed in his suit at 2:30 am, making rounds ? come on... JMO of course  |
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Post by gladrags on Jun 24, 2011 8:32:25 GMT -8
And she was way, way out of line when she told Delia to go running to Roger. That was her at her snottiest. If I were Mary, I'd have murdered Delia on the spot. I thought Mary showed great restraint. |
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Post by forte on Jun 25, 2011 7:17:19 GMT -8
I'm trying to look at this through Mary's eyes. Sex is about the only thing she and Jack have; I think it's the basis of their marraige and the only reason they have to stay married. If that is true, I can understand Mary being so focused on his sexual dysfunction even while he is near to death's door. Without sex, their marriage would likely be over. They certainly don't enjoy each other's company out of bed (unless talking about being in bed, of course) and they don't seem to have much in common. Without sex, there would be no respite from their fights. I think Mary was just faced with this potential reality.
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jun 25, 2011 14:06:06 GMT -8
I'm trying to look at this through Mary's eyes. Sex is about the only thing she and Jack have; I think it's the basis of their marraige and the only reason they have to stay married. If that is true, I can understand Mary being so focused on his sexual dysfunction even while he is near to death's door. Without sex, their marriage would likely be over. They certainly don't enjoy each other's company out of bed (unless talking about being in bed, of course) and they don't seem to have much in common. Without sex, there would be no respite from their fights. I think Mary was just faced with this potential reality. I thought they were both journalists. They could discuss that. |
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Post by forte on Jun 25, 2011 16:24:39 GMT -8
Jack doesn't seem to have much respect for Mary's television job or status as a journalist. Their discussions about journalism seem to revert to fighting. But I agree that they could try to make their profession a common point in expanding their relationship.
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Post by tyrion on Jun 25, 2011 16:42:24 GMT -8
I can't stand Mary either. She is an awful screaming shrew! When she tried to get Dee thrown out of the house I was steaming. And she clearly was out of line in telling her to go to Roger......then she tried to deny it! Her pestering of poor Jack and telling people about Jack's personal, intimate issue before HE even knows! OMG I want to slap that smug, superior look off of her face.
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Post by scarlettudor on Jun 25, 2011 18:27:30 GMT -8
Well, I've always said I believed everything the writers intended me to believe. I thought Jack and Mary had a great love. They were just going through the usual first year adjustments. Eventually (had Mary lived long enough and stayed Kate), they would have had as good a marriage as Johnny and Maeve.
I believe that. Well, I kinda believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, too, but that's beside the point.
Mary focuses so much on the sexual side of their union because it was so important to them. Mary was a virgin, had virtually no sexual experience, had not even been that tempted until she met Jack. It must have been thrilling for him to awaken that aspect of her. It was extremely important to both of them.
I do agree that she shouldn't have been blabbing his problem all over Riverside. But, otherwise, how would we have known? LOL.
Sue Ellen
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jun 25, 2011 18:36:47 GMT -8
Well, I've always said I believed everything the writers intended me to believe. I thought Jack and Mary had a great love. They were just going through the usual first year adjustments. Eventually (had Mary lived long enough and stayed Kate), they would have had as good a marriage as Johnny and Maeve. I believe that. Well, I kinda believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, too, but that's beside the point. Mary focuses so much on the sexual side of their union because it was so important to them. Mary was a virgin, had virtually no sexual experience, had not even been that tempted until she met Jack. It must have been thrilling for him to awaken that aspect of her. It was extremely important to both of them. I do agree that she shouldn't have been blabbing his problem all over Riverside. But, otherwise, how would we have known? LOL. Sue Ellen I should amend my title. He didn't just tell her to go away. He told the nurse, through clenched teeth, GET HER OUT OF HERE! |
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Post by fairplay28 on Jun 25, 2011 19:24:50 GMT -8
I agree with you, SE. Jack and mary are newlyweds, and they weren't together long before the wedding. It's natural for sex to be very important to them. Especially, as you say, since Mary had no prior experience. Also, as Mary says it's the glue that holds them together, which I think is also typical of a couple in love. For Jack it's also the primary way he feels close to her. He's going to suffer the humiliation of impotence, a problem most men don't deal with well. Mary knows how insecure Jack is and how fragile he is emotionally. She knows what a blow it will be him and to their new, young marriage.
The writers gave her insight that a woman of her age and experience might not normally possess. But they unfortunately, also made her the "Bearer of the News". Mary is someone who says what's in her heart and on her mind. She's been lucky to have grown up in a family she can trust. It makes sense that she would deal with her anxiety and fear by talking about it so now she's talking non-stop.
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Post by dustygal on Jun 26, 2011 0:57:01 GMT -8
I don't know that it is all about their sexual relationship although all of you are correct in stating how important that is for both of them~having said that...I think Mary has made it very clear how important it is for her to have children...remember it hasn't been very long in RH time since they had the big blow up about Jack's not wanting to have children and we know how important that is to Mary. I mean she even made a veiled threat of annulment to Jack so I can imagine how devistated she is at this point thinking that now children are impossible~
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Post by carol on Jun 26, 2011 12:48:06 GMT -8
Mary and Jack might win the prize for Mismatched Couple of the Year. =)
And I know Jack will get even worse before he becomes the Jack we all know and love.
Mary is merely Youth Personified, a freckled faced bumping car crashing into Jack's worst personality traits at every turn.
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Post by scarlettudor on Jun 26, 2011 17:55:15 GMT -8
Good analogy, Carol!
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Post by discomusic on Jun 26, 2011 21:11:10 GMT -8
these days i want to slap Mary(with a pie in the face) and Dee too,oh yes and Jill too(got a pie for her also) this is close to the end of the second year for RH and i think the show is coming into it's own,as we all have passionate feelings towards the character(in one way or the other)
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Post by Echo on Jun 26, 2011 23:26:41 GMT -8
Yes, the physical relationship between Mary and Jack is the glue of their marriage, basically the only reason they are together, as they drive each other crazy during nine out of ten conversations. And yes, they are newlyweds, so of course the physical aspect of their love is new, (and they had only lived together for several months prior to marrying). But.....I just feel there is a place and a time, and Mary is not sensitive to Jack's needs or wishes. (reading the letter from Kathleen-when he was ready to bolt during Kathleen's entire visit, is a perfect example of how out of touch she is to Jack's reactions to things.) ITA with Jackie/RRR Why isn't Mary ecstatic, overwhelmingly grateful that Jack is going to live, and made it through that all night operation, where the odds were against him even surviving?? Also I just don't think Mary is young enough to blame her "speak first, think later"(if ever) way, on 'youth'. She is what 23? She's not 16 or 17. I was visiting with an aunt recently, and she told me that in 'her day' (the fifties) getting married to your high school 'sweetheart', was the 'norm'. Marrying right out of high school at seventeen years old. In that case I would give Mary's attitude to youth. But she is an adult, has been for a few years. A woman in her twenties can't be pushy, opinionated to the point of verbally sparring with anyone who disagrees with her, and have it be call youth, IMO. Mary is always saying 'oh yeah!!....' in a challenging way to everyone. I expect her to put on Johnny's boxing gloves and dare who ever disagrees with her to a boxing match! I too, as RRR said, would be so overjoyed that my husband had made it, when he was not expect to, as Jack condition was extremely serious. He lived, against the odds, yet I am not seeing joy or elation in Mary at that fact. Putting her full attention to how they will deal with Jack's physical disability, when he has reached a point where he is not moaning in pain every time he is awake, would seem more natural. There was not even a few day period that Mary was overwhelmed with gratitude, as she should have been. When she learned(after badgering Alex) of Jack's most probable condition, Of course she would FEEL how she does, and have her very serious concerns, but NOT in front of Jack. To tell others about his problem, before he even knows is,(and it is very intimate an issue) is just selfish, IMO. If Jack is absolutely livid when he founds out she all but shouted his condition from the rooftops of Riverside, I won't blame him one bit. Mary IS like Delia, too much of the time. They both must have what they want, when they want it. I don't see Mary putting Jack's feelings first on this. It should have been between the two of them, first. (and I wish she would stop badgering the doctors, they have hard jobs, and she demands answers, does not ask in a kindly way, ever! -Echo- |
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Post by spvati on Jun 27, 2011 14:18:55 GMT -8
I so agree that Mary can be as immature & self-centered as Dee. For as much as Mary points out Dee's many faults (and justifiably so...Dee's no picnic, either) Mary can't see that she's just as babyish & insistent on her own way.
She constantly pressures Jack in one way or another...Imo, if sex is the be all & end all to a marriage, it's not all that great of a love/romance to begin with! Don't get me wrong...it's certainly a big part of marriage & a wonderful part, but Mary acts like Jack will never speak to her again if they can't get it on first....if that's the case, what kind of "true love" is that?
I also think Mary's main thought isn't sex, but kids....her trying to pressure Jack into parenthood is what sent him running from the house early on his business trip in the first place. Her "grounds for annulment" jab was meant to bring Jack to heel...well, it backfired big time & now they're all paying the price.
I know Mary is meant to be the show's precious heroine, but her appeal escapes me.
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Post by jwinks on Jun 27, 2011 16:20:03 GMT -8
I believe the unendearing quality that so many of the characters (but especially Delia, Mary, Seneca, Frank, and Roger IMO) seem to share, is their sense of entitlement.
Bucky, by far the most entitled person on the show, simply by virtue of his incredible wealth, is one of the few characters who almost never displays this quality at all.
Really the biggest difference between Mary and Delia IMO is simply the way their personal sense of entitlement is manifested in their repsective personalities.
disclaimer: of course I really don't know what the hell I am talking about but it's fun throwing about the big words and high-minded concepts, and since I am separated and live with my two autistic teenage sons, I can alleviate my lack of social contact here LOL
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