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Post by forte on Jun 8, 2011 13:24:02 GMT -8
Puca, you're right. I didn't follow through on the Gypsy angle. Jillian could don the traditional Gypsy garb, grab the crystal ball, and the two of them could travel the world together, telling fortunes and making music. Jillian could use a change. I like it!
{{In what ways has Mary changed to accommodate Jack? I'll give it some thought today and see if I can come up with anything, but I'll be honest, nothing is leaping to mind. }}
I can't think of anything either. I guess you could count allowing Jack to pick out the honeymoon location, but that's a stretch. It wasn't something that Mary didn't like or want. He just thought of it first. So I guess, I can't think of anything. Not one thing.
Poor Jack.
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Post by lstef1983 on Jun 8, 2011 14:41:57 GMT -8
Too bad she didn't load the 8-track player in his car with a tape of her voice saying "STAY AWAKE, FINELLI!" every few seconds.
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Post by forte on Jun 8, 2011 14:54:56 GMT -8
LOL! A tape of her arguing with him would have kept him awake and ready for the next battle.
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Post by pokemonmom on Jun 8, 2011 17:08:30 GMT -8
I wonder why Jack's appartment is the only one with a real working bathroom . The one in the Bar is never seen. The one upstairs is down the hall, somewhere.... And how many have to share it???(Dee counts as at least 3 or 4).
My Grandma's house only had one bathroom. and when we visited it was almost like you used it on a schedule. 6 to one bathroom...better know how to hold it...
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Post by faithcoleridge on Jun 8, 2011 20:28:15 GMT -8
But Jack HAS changed, very materially. Getting Martha's story killed wasn't changing? Ho ho ho. Jack was right when he said he's been the one who's made changes, not Mary.
In what ways has Mary changed to accommodate Jack? I'll give it some thought today and see if I can come up with anything, but I'll be honest, nothing is leaping to mind.
Hi Debbie, Jack has to take the responsibility for killing Martha's story. Okay, Mary did beg and plead that he do something, but he made the phone call.
How has Mary channged? One change she's made is that she used to think Frank was her best friend (ewwwwwwwwwww!), but now she thinks of Jack as her best friend.
I'll try to think of something else. Interesting point to ponder.
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Post by destclev on Jun 8, 2011 21:02:57 GMT -8
But Jack HAS changed, very materially. Getting Martha's story killed wasn't changing? Ho ho ho. Jack was right when he said he's been the one who's made changes, not Mary. In what ways has Mary changed to accommodate Jack? I'll give it some thought today and see if I can come up with anything, but I'll be honest, nothing is leaping to mind. Hi Debbie, Jack has to take the responsibility for killing Martha's story. Okay, Mary did beg and plead that he do something, but he made the phone call.
Just to be clear, I didn't say Jack wasn't responsible for making the decision to get Ed to spike Martha's story. Quite the opposite, in fact. I said the fact that he did that FOR MARY was evidence that he had changed.
I guess I'm not clear about what you're getting at.
I hadn't thought about her declaration that Jack was now her best friend, having replaced St. Francis. That's a good observation. I can't help adding, though, that with friends like Mare, Jack really doesn't need enemies. Shes busy running him down all over town. God, she is on my nerves right now.
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Post by faithcoleridge on Jun 8, 2011 21:26:34 GMT -8
. In what ways has Mary changed to accommodate Jack? I'll give it some thought today and see if I can come up with anything, but I'll be honest, nothing is leaping to mind. Just to be clear, I didn't say Jack wasn't responsible for making the decision to get Ed to spike Martha's story. Quite the opposite, in fact. I said the fact that he did that FOR MARY was evidence that he had changed.
I guess I'm not clear about what you're getting at.
I hadn't thought about her declaration that Jack was now her best friend, having replaced St. Francis. That's a good observation. I can't help adding, though, that with friends like Mare, Jack really doesn't need enemies. Shes busy running him down all over town. God, she is on my nerves right now. Hi Debbie,
Yes, Jack made the call to Ed, to please Mary AND her family, not that he earned any brownie points with the Ryans for doing so.
I agree with you that Mary needs to STOP badmouthing her husband all over Riverside. I think it's partly due to her youth. She's what, 22 or 23? Jack is supposed to be 36 or 37. They're a generation apart. Also, Jack keeps everything close to the chest. Mary, OTOH, tells everything to everyone. I used to do that when I was Mary's age. I learned the hard way that it wasn't a smart thing to do. My closest friend once told me, "You talk too much." It took me a year before I asked her what she meant by that.
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Post by destclev on Jun 8, 2011 21:30:18 GMT -8
. In what ways has Mary changed to accommodate Jack? I'll give it some thought today and see if I can come up with anything, but I'll be honest, nothing is leaping to mind. Just to be clear, I didn't say Jack wasn't responsible for making the decision to get Ed to spike Martha's story. Quite the opposite, in fact. I said the fact that he did that FOR MARY was evidence that he had changed.
I guess I'm not clear about what you're getting at.
I hadn't thought about her declaration that Jack was now her best friend, having replaced St. Francis. That's a good observation. I can't help adding, though, that with friends like Mare, Jack really doesn't need enemies. Shes busy running him down all over town. God, she is on my nerves right now. Hi Debbie,
Yes, Jack made the call to Ed, to please Mary AND her family, not that he earned any brownie points with the Ryans for doing so.
I agree with you that Mary needs to STOP badmouthing her husband all over Riverside. I think it's partly due to her youth. She's what, 22 or 23? Jack is supposed to be 36 or 37. They're a generation apart. Also, Jack keeps everything close to the chest. Mary, OTOH, tells everything to everyone. I used to do that when I was Mary's age. I learned the hard way that it wasn't a smart thing to do. My closest friend once told me, "You talk too much." It took me a year before I asked her what she meant by that. Susan, I have said the exact same thing, that a lot of Mary's problem is immaturity. And like many snot-nosed brats, she doesn't even have the grace to realize how self-centered and demanding she's being, because that would take some...maturity.
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Post by forte on Jun 9, 2011 13:29:43 GMT -8
While Mary did talk about Jack replacing Frank as her best friend, I'm not sure that she has been able to reallly put this in action. She's so negative about Jack; she's certainly never been that way about Frank. She still supports everything Frank does and says without question. Dee finds him in bed with his mistress? Damn that conniving Dee. It's so unfair that she would take an interest in finding out who her husband is sleeping with. Pat was a witness to the adultery? Why, Dee's lawyer and the court couldn't possibly expect Pat to tell the truth; he should be exempt from testifying. When does she ever provide Jack with that kind of blind loyalty?
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Post by lsufan4667 on Jun 9, 2011 15:18:43 GMT -8
Even though I don't post everyday, I DO stop by to read the snafus y'all have graciously written and seem to feel comfortable doing so. That's what this thread (way back when) was designed for. Thanks, everyone! I Wonder...A few days ago, Maeve and Mary were snapping green beans. Maeve told Mary she really enjoyed Mary's "news show tonight. It was very interesting." She then goes on and on about a building on 186th street. A few mins later, Jill arrives in the kitchen. Doesn't Mary's "news show" air around 6:00 p.m.? Funny thing...Jill's watch said "3:00." Frank packs a huge suitcase w/only a few shirts and other small items, one of which is bright canary yellow. What could that have been? Part of Dee's yellow dress? One of LJ's shirts? Frank's boxers? (God forbid.) Jill to Maeve: "Now, I'm honestly not responsible for that break-up with Dee." Umm, if you trace it back far enough, Jill...you ARE. Then she asks Maeve: "You don't think that Frank and I could have a true marriage?" Maeve: "You could, in the eyes of the world, but not in the eyes of God." Jill: "No, but I mean YOUR eyes!" Even though she's quite religious, I doubt that Maeve's eyes trump God's eyes, Jill. I, like Rags, wanted to slug Mary. Jack asks her if it would bother her if he typed. "No, no...go ahead," Mary replies. So...Jack proceeds to type. She then covers her head w/a pillow, an obvious sign of annoyance. Jack stops typing and Mary asks, "Don't you wanna work?" <SLAP!> Jill visits Frank at his office. "Good morning!", she exclaims. Her watch reads, "12:30." Are those pre-folded, industrial strength paper towels Mary's stuffing into her purse while getting ready for work? Faith grabbed a couple of them, also, while fixing food for Roger in the Coleridge kitchen. Are they ripping off Riverside Hospital's Housekeeping Dept. inventory? Mary sits down at the table w/Bucky and Seneca. Bucky offers her a drink, which she accepts, but never receives, nor is it ever ordered. Since when do Anne Birney and Seneca share office space? Mary meets Alex McClean, then goes to call Jack on the pay phone. She borrows a dime from Alex, then dials 6 digits. <sigh> Why wouldn't Mary offer Alex a chair instead of plopping down on the bed w/her husband's old Army buddy? Not to mention, she showed a little "cheesecake" while chatting w/Alex. (And I don't mean Greenberg's cheesecake.) Alex explains that he lost his wife when his daughter was 2 yrs old. Mary lets out an "Ooh," then, instead of offering condolences, proceeds to quiz him on why he hasn't remarried. Good grief, Mary! Alex was offered a bourbon and water w/o ice when he arrived. Mary rises from the bed and asks, " Alex, are you sure you don't want some more ice?" And she was raised in a bar? Here we have two educated physicians, one the Bolland Award recipient; the other the heir to a shoe store magnate throne, yet they are seriously analyzing the "Twelve Days of Christmas" carol? Someone as organized as Jill can't find her car keys? She checks the drawers, her purse, a vase, and Ed's ash urn. No luck. Why would Frank, a former football star, think that when the Three Stooges (Seneca, Bucky and the violinist) went into a huddle, that they were leaving? Huddles are used to discuss strategies and offensive plays. Good grief. Give back the trophy, Frank. Jill removes Seneca's shoes as he lies on her sofa. He's wearing burgundy socks w/a blue suit. Wonderful. Jill calls Frank at his office; tells him about Seneca. "He's what??!", Frank shouts. "Shhhh," says Jill, "he's asleep on the couch." Umm, why does Frank need to be quiet, Jill? He's on the phone...not in the same room as you and Seneca. I don't know about the rest of you ladies, but I wouldn't want any of my brothers-in-law in my bedroom while I'm getting dressed for bed. Doesn't Pat have any scruples? We know Dee doesn't. Mary talks to Jack on the kitchen phone, walks through the saloon doors into the bar, leaving the left door open. From out of nowhere, someone behind the door pushes it closed. Tee hee. ;D Jack and Mary call each other at the same time; both get "busy signals." Jack got a busy signal because Mary's phone was off the hook...logical. Mary, however, got a busy signal because she only dialed 6 digits (again). It's no wonder Jack wrecked...listening to that terrible banjo music. BTW, if he's on a major highway, why would headlights be heading right at him? Is it a two-lane highway from MD to NY? Heck, even Louisiana had 4-lane highways in 1976. Jack's rental car is turned upside down, wheels still spinning. (Yeah, right.). He needs to sue Avis, since those tires were as bald as Jack himself. If it was a tropical storm that caused the torrential rain, where was the rain once the wreck happened? And, how stupid are the emergency workers to stand under an overturned car, teetering on two of its 4 wheels? Umm...maybe move the patient from imminent danger first, and THEN pronounce him dead? ;D Mary had a tan purse when she left Ryan's bar and headed home. When she and Alex head to the hospital, she has a different purse. Did she take the time to switch her personal items into a new purse? Poor Jack. He takes a back seat to his trend-setter wife. Maybe it's because this new purse has a dime in it? She used it to call Johnny. I wonder where Alex learned how to read X-Rays...the Army or medical school, as he hung Jack's chest X-Ray upside down on the view box. Poor Jack. Does he have a serious injury such as a crushed sternum and broken ribs? Or is that gas in his stomach and he just needs to fart? (for you, James )
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jun 9, 2011 16:37:05 GMT -8
There's driving directions on another thread. He should have been on the New Jersey Turnpike. Maybe he was so sleepy he crossed over the median divider clear onto the southbound side. Whoever designs the sets for this show seems to think that when you're not in Manhattan, you're in Podunk, U.S.A. Actually, civilization and paved roads exist on Long Island and even in New Jersey!
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Post by discomusic on Jun 9, 2011 16:53:25 GMT -8
it does seem as if Jack just needs to fart and all will be well with the world!!! very very slow emergency response,Jack could have been dead long before those idiots got there and then just stood there
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Post by originalbunnymom on Jun 9, 2011 17:41:37 GMT -8
LSU!
You KNOW what a fan I am...
ONE OF YOUR BEST <COMPILATIONS> IMHO!!!
BTW, I have only seen one ep "live" in the past week. The Ryans are pronouncing Alex's last name as "McCLEEN" (Mr. Clean??)
The pronunciation that most would be familiar with is "McCLANE" - as in McLean Stevenson from MASH...
Marianne
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jun 9, 2011 18:27:05 GMT -8
At least they're not calling him "Weiner/Wiener."
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madigan80
Johnny's Best Irish
"Oh, Paddy, I've been so ba-a-a-a-d!" - Delia Reid Ryan Ryan
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Post by madigan80 on Jun 13, 2011 15:55:54 GMT -8
sorry, I've not read all of this thread as carefully as I would usually, so if this has already been mentioned, my apologies...but I gotta grab my 'for pleasure' time on the computer while the sun shines, as it were...
I WONDER just whom 'Mrs. Fenelli' thinks she is, running her new husband down and dumping their personal dirty linen all over the Ryan kitchen, where almost anyone, filling up at the coffee urn, can getan earful of all the juicy details??!!? She was sitting with her back to the saloon doors the other day, and whining to her Ma about stuff that, while I can't recall it exactly at the moment, wasn't very earth-shattering (likely why I don't remember the specifics). Oh, but Life wouldn't be complete until Mary had spilt it all to her Mommy! But Delia (THIS Delia, the one who hasn't yet 'faked' some terrible stuff), who doesn't even HAVE a mother, is expected to keep all HER stuff in, and not even confide in the only family member who actually LIKES her - as well as cares about her. Again, behaviour that is perfectly reasonable and acceptable for Mary - is somehow selfish and self-indulgent when you're talking Delia. But what bothers me much more than even that, is Mary's patent disloyalty. I cannot imagine a new marriage - especially one that is as 'fraught' as this one has already been from the out of the gatet hat would be , strong and stable enough to survive this type of betrayal. Jack realizes, of course, that Mary confides in her family members, but I don't really picture him being cool with what-all she does say - and he isn't even able to defend himself!
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Johnny's Best Irish
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Post by madigan80 on Jun 13, 2011 17:16:37 GMT -8
Jack and Mary call each other at the same time; both get "busy signals." Jack got a busy signal because Mary's phone was off the hook...logical. Mary, however, got a busy signal because she only dialed 6 digits (again). LOL, I have also noticed Kate's inability, or perhaps unwillingness, to count all the way to 7! Mary had a tan purse when she left Ryan's bar and headed home. When she and Alex head to the hospital, she has a different purse. Did she take the time to switch her personal items into a new purse? Poor Jack. He takes a back seat to his trend-setter wife. Maybe it's because this new purse has a dime in it? She used it to call Johnny. LOLOLOLOLOL!! I wonder where Alex learned how to read X-Rays...the Army or medical school, as he hung Jack's chest X-Ray upside down on the view box. Poor Jack. Does he have a serious injury such as a crushed sternum and broken ribs? Or is that gas in his stomach and he just needs to fart? (for you, James )[/quote] Uh-oh - now, does that mean that there was nothing really wrong with Jack's Johnson?? That it really was a small wound of the - GULP - throat??? NOW you're REALLY talking 'boo-boo' NOT something one would want to get 'reversed'...
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Post by destclev on Jun 13, 2011 17:49:35 GMT -8
Can't believe I finally have something to contribute to this thread. A couple of things, actually:
1. I wonder why Delia thinks she has anything in common with Mary in the waiting-for-your-husband-who-lies-in-the-hospital-in-critical-condition department. Mary desperately wants Jack to live. Delia would've been fine with having Frank die. It would have left her an undisputed Ryan forever and gotten her off the hook for the big Push.
2. I wonder if Sennie is taking his new administrative duties a little too seriously. When Mary asks if Alex is really a great surgeon, Sennie reassures her -- that he's really impressed with the job Alex has done reorganizing the surgery schedule! I'm sure that really put Mary's mind at ease.
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Post by seasonedrefinement on Jun 14, 2011 7:16:00 GMT -8
DeStClev said: "1. I wonder why Delia thinks she has anything in common with Mary in the waiting-for-your-husband-who-lies-in-the-hospital-in-critical-condition department. Mary desperately wants Jack to live. Delia would've been fine with having Frank die. It would have left her an undisputed Ryan forever and gotten her off the hook for the big Push."
Good point! And while I hadn't previously considered the parallels in their respective situations, I am now. Hmmm.....thinking, thinking, thinking. Funny thing...beyond the fact that both women have been faced with the prospect of young widowhood, I'm drawing a blank.
Dee's initial reaction to Frank's death would have been one of relief -- followed immediately by a public, sustained, and faux breakdown guaranteed to garner sympathy, attention, and the title of "Brave Duchess Delia" at Castle Ryan. While she would maintain the role of the grieving widow in public, she would certainly find personal relief in the knowledge that she buried her secret when she buried Frank. I don't think Dee actually set out to kill Frank, but when push came to shove (no pun intended), she didn't seem at all conflicted over having to realign her strategy to include collateral damage (the death of her husband) after she realized that she was going to lose a pivotal battle. Actually, what disturbed Dee was the prospect of Frank's recovery -- even a partial one. For example, I remember a scene in one of the earliest episodes involving Delia and a doctor standing at the foot of comatose Frank's hospital bed. At this point, there seemed to be very little hope for Frank to make any kind of a recovery. Dee, already planning a consult with Nick Szabo at the funeral home, wore an expression tinged with repulsion as she looked down at Frank and asked, "Isn't that what you call a vegetable?". Personally, I thought she preferred the prospect of Frank's death to the prospect of him remaining in a permanent vegetative state (far too many restrictions and obligations are associated with the latter scenario).
Mary, on the other hand, is showing the normal signs of a woman in her situation. Unlike Delia, (who actually bore the responsibility for Frank's injuries), Mary has willingly assumed the blame for setting into motion the course of events that led to Jack's accident (i.e., if she hadn't insisted that he drive home, he wouldn't have been in an accident, etc.). She's wrong, of course, but Mary's reaction to Jack's death would be far more in line with the stats on widowhood (anger, depression, isolation, sleep disturbances) than Delia's would have been.
So, aside from one last similarity -- that both women would have probably worn something green to their husbands' funerals -- I'm fresh out of comparable behaviors.
DeStClev said, "2. I wonder if Sennie is taking his new administrative duties a little too seriously. When Mary asks if Alex is really a great surgeon, Sennie reassures her -- that he's really impressed with the job Alex has done reorganizing the surgery schedule! I'm sure that really put Mary's mind at ease."
LOLOL! I totally missed that one! What a stupid thing to say, unless, of course, you are an egomaniacal control freak whose wings were clipped after a run-in with the medical board. After all, Seneca is technically out of the surgery game (if he was still in it, he would have pushed his way past Alex, Clem, and Bucky, scalpel in hand, to win the lead surgeon position in the OR). However, now that he's in the administration game, he -- and he alone -- will offer the definitive opinion as to who shows an impressive affinity for administrative duties -- like reorganizing the surgery schedule.
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Post by seasonedrefinement on Jun 14, 2011 10:24:59 GMT -8
I wonder if Dee realizes that Johnny's description of Jack as being "more dead than alive" is a crude way of saying, "critical condition". After primping for her wake-up call with Pat, Dee asks the bleary eyed doctor for an update on Jack's condition. When Pat told her that Jack was in critical condition, Delia whined, "Nobody told me that" -- to which was added the usual litany of, "nobody tells me anything, this family is shutting me out, I'm so alone, etc., etc., etc.". Her scenes are getting difficult to take...really.
I wonder if Pat, the King of Pollen, rehearsed his birds and bees speech before presenting it to guileless Dee. It was actually quite ridiculous, especially when one considers Dee's reputation for....um.....carnal artistry. Since Pat previously served as her canvas, he knows that she understands exactly what he's saying.
I wonder if yelling a patient's first and last name while clapping your hands in their face constitutes the practice of medicine. I'd say so, since license-less Seneca would have certainly pushed that nurse out of the way to do it himself if he wasn't just an administrator. That's not all bad; it did allow him to end the scene with an authoritative, "Let me see his chart".
I wonder if Seneca realizes that a patient in critical condition should not be left without his chart. Not only did Seneca look at Jack's chart, he was still reading it while wandering the hallway.
I wonder if Mary remembers the self-righteous smack she delivered to Dee's face while they both stood in Frank's hospital room a year ago. After Delia made a remark about Frank's impending death, Mary, believing that Frank could hear what people were saying, got up and slapped Dee while making it clear that she wasn't going to tolerate any negative talk about Frank's prognosis. It's a good thing for Mary (and her face) that Delia was either flirting with Pat or skulking around the halls of the apartment while Mary was visiting Jack in recovery. Mary looked at Jack and said to Seneca, "I keep thinking of a body in an open casket". I guess Mary's either revised her opinion of negativity or auditory senses in the unconscious.
I wonder if Mary realizes that Seneca is OVER Nell. When she turned to Seneca and apologized for her insensitivity in assessing Jack's situation as hopeless, she referred to the hours that Seneca sat with his wife -- knowing she would never wake up. I almost expected to hear Seneca say, "Nell? Nell Who? Jill's my lady now. She just doesn't know it yet".
I wonder if Ann Birney realizes that her understanding of Delia's need to find someone to take care of little John is enough to win Ann a slot on Dee's lengthy and overused babysitting list.
I wonder if Ann Birney has a secret panel behind a bookshelf that allows all mismatched mates to escape from each other without being seen in the reception area (exit Delia, enter Frank).
I wonder if Ann Birney has any other work. She seems to have plenty of time to receive drop-in clients. Has anyone ever heard of an appointment?
I wonder if Seneca excluded his own marriage from this declaration: "Maeve, people fall in love all the time, but when it gives them pain, when it gives them trouble, they manage to fall out of love". Seems to me that there was once a woman named Nell Beaulac with a marriage that caused her pain and trouble. Despite her best efforts to fall out of love with her controlling spouse, he wouldn't allow it.
I wonder why Roger has a brass nameplate on his apartment door that says, "Coleridge". It's not as if there are other basement apartments in this Coleridge owned brownstone (with the same nameplate on the front of the building). And even if there were other apartments downstairs, nobody is looking for Roger.
I wonder why, despite his behavior, I now feel sorry for Roger. Wow, he may be a marginal individual, but Delia is beyond despicable.
I wonder how Pat can actually believe Dee when she says that she spoke to Roger and accepted his flowers because she didn't want to be rude. Rude? When has Dee ever cared about socially acceptable behavior or the feelings of others? Now she's expecting Pat to believe that the man who allegedly forced himself on her, blackmailed her, stalked her, and effectively put the final nail in the coffin of her marriage is worthy of her civility? This one stretches the boundaries of believability.
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Post by raggedycheryl512 on Jun 14, 2011 13:18:16 GMT -8
I wonder if Pat is losing IQ points every time Delia awakens him from a sound sleep.
I wonder why Alex performed the surgery on Jack. He's head of General Surgery, but shouldn't they have had a thoracic surgeon and a cardiac surgeon on stand-by?
I wonder how many different ways they will describe the damage to Jack's plumbing without actually calling it "Jack's plumbing."
I wonder why I feel defensive whenever someone pegs Delia as "despicable." Almost like they are describing me.
I wonder why Mary feels sick. She was weak and dizzy at the Bar on the night of Jack's accident. Was that because her "psychic link" to her hubby finally kicked in, or does she have a case of "Jill's flu"?
I wonder when Jack will come to his senses and instead of calling out "Mary, Mary" he will call for "Raggedy."
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